Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[diehardskin2982]

Some of the positions coaches need to go. Slowik should not be coaching linebackers and really doesn't have a place on this staff unless its special teams coach. Kerrigan and Rack have regressed IMO. Mike Singletary or Monte Coleman, Someone who played the position and talk about secondary move to get to the QB

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Its all those given away draft picks and young players that might have been Skins who might now be leaders on this team. Of course its impossible to know what might have been I feel like the Skins could have built their future through the draft and develop their team the way other successful teams do. Kind of like compounded interest on a savings account.

Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.

[diehardskin2982]

Or Manny Diaz formerly of Texas would be a good add

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well said, and all those factor add up, even though it seems like there are people who discount all or some of it. I don't know about an extension, but it sure seems like MS ought to get to finish his contract.

This may be more of a perception thing than anything, but I feel like adding a number of small excuses together just gives you a larger pile of excuses. As opposed to something more substantial like a pattern. But again, that's probably a perception thing. Ultimately, it's going to be results that fuel decision-making.

[The Goat]

The cap hit, previous regime mistakes, or anything else "circumstantial" has absolutely no bearing on team preparedness, discipline, intensity, clock management, current coaching failures (play-calling, scheme). In those categories, we're among the very worst in the league, and again they have nothing to do with anything pre-Shanahan.

But some of you are right, you/I/we don't know what the problem is at Redskins park or how it gets solved. The problem, and this really is what coaching is all about, is it looks less and less like anyone currently on staff knows how to fix it either. Week after week, season after season, we the same piss poor stuff.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This may be more of a perception thing than anything, but I feel like adding a number of small excuses together just gives you a larger pile of excuses. As opposed to something more substantial like a pattern. But again, that's probably a perception thing. Ultimately, it's going to be results that fuel decision-making.

I don't look at the things I listed as "small" or excuses. I just see them as part of the hand MS was delt.

I am also of the opinion that at least with the same HC we can keep as sense of continuity. I know that it can be said that why would we want to continue this, but in all fairness I want MS to have a fair shot at turning this around for SUSTAINED success and to this point I don't think we can say that.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.

I'm not surprised you see the draft how you do as the Skins are always so short on picks that they have to hit a HR on the couple of picks they have in order to get any benefit from the draft. That makes the fans think the if all picks arent HRs then the draft was a failure. The draft is not about hitting HRs on all the picks, its about having lots of picks to maximize the chance of hitting maybe 1 or 2 HRs.

This is Shanny's team now but had Spurrier, Zorn & Gibbs not turned this team into a talent wasteland then MS wouldnt have had so far to go to bring this team back to competitive.

MS has finally gotten this team moving in the right direction and understand how to balance the draft with FAs. He should finish out his contract and see where the team stands then decide. The last thing this organization needs is to begin the revolving door and hot coach du jour again.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by irish

I'm not surprised you see the draft how you do as the Skins are always so short on picks that they have to hit a HR on the couple of picks they have in order to get any benefit from the draft. That makes the fans think the if all picks arent HRs then the draft was a failure. The draft is not about hitting HRs on all the picks, its about having lots of picks to maximize the chance of hitting maybe 1 or 2 HRs.

This is Shanny's team now but had Spurrier, Zorn & Gibbs not turned this team into a talent wasteland then MS wouldnt have had so far to go to bring this team back to competitive.

MS has finally gotten this team moving in the right direction and understand how to balance the draft with FAs. He should finish out his contract and see where the team stands then decide. The last thing this organization needs is to begin the revolving door and hot coach du jour again.

I agree.

"Buy the ticket, take the ride" as Hunter S Thompson would say.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I'm not surprised you see the draft how you do as the Skins are always so short on picks that they have to hit a HR on the couple of picks they have in order to get any benefit from the draft. That makes the fans think the if all picks arent HRs then the draft was a failure. The draft is not about hitting HRs on all the picks, its about having lots of picks to maximize the chance of hitting maybe 1 or 2 HRs.

This is Shanny's team now but had Spurrier, Zorn & Gibbs not turned this team into a talent wasteland then MS wouldnt have had so far to go to bring this team back to competitive.

MS has finally gotten this team moving in the right direction and understand how to balance the draft with FAs. He should finish out his contract and see where the team stands then decide. The last thing this organization needs is to begin the revolving door and hot coach du jour again.

Ok we're talking semantics now... so say we had even 2-3 quality players left from that time, is that enough to make a big difference now? There's no saying if those guys would even be around considering Shanahan has turned over 99% of this roster in his time here, as most coaches do when they take over a team.

I think there's so many variables involved and we're too far removed to be able to place any quantifiable blame with past regimes especially one as far back now as Gibbs.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Ok we're talking semantics now... so say we had even 2-3 quality players left from that time, is that enough to make a big difference now? There's no saying if those guys would even be around considering Shanahan has turned over 99% of this roster in his time here, as most coaches do when they take over a team.

I think there's so many variables involved and we're too far removed to be able to place any quantifiable blame with past regimes especially one as far back now as Gibbs.

Gibbs isnt totally to blame, he was one part of a long series of screw-ups and mismanagement. But like I said in an earlier post, instead of helping to dig the Skins out of their hole Gibbs dug the hole deeper.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.

And that right there is why I'm very hesitant about getting rid of Mike Shanahan - especially after this season. The team as a whole does not need to be blown up nor does a new regime need to come in and replace what's working. The offense is fine, the offensive philosophy is fine. Give the playcalling duties to Mike if need be, but unless the 'skins are adding a few pieces to the offense, it doesn't need to be touched.

Now, the rest of the team is a different story. I like Ryan Kerrigan, but I don't really care if a new regime blows the defense and special teams completely up at all. More power to them.

[donofriose]

You know who the one person who has consistently been there through terrible signings, coaching changes and teams playing terribly...

Daniel Snyder

But how about we see what Shanahan does for the rest of the season, if he finishes with a record around .500 like 7-9 or 8-8 and the team looks good, I think he bought himself one more year. If he finishes 5-11 or worst he needs to go. That is just my opinion on the matter.

[skinsfaninok]

should have kept Marty

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

And that right there is why I'm very hesitant about getting rid of Mike Shanahan - especially after this season. The team as a whole does not need to be blown up nor does a new regime need to come in and replace what's working. The offense is fine, the offensive philosophy is fine. Give the playcalling duties to Mike if need be, but unless the 'skins are adding a few pieces to the offense, it doesn't need to be touched.

Now, the rest of the team is a different story. I like Ryan Kerrigan, but I don't really care if a new regime blows the defense and special teams completely up at all. More power to them.

Yep and another HC change is going to mean significant changes across the roster whether it's broken or not. I hope people realize that.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yep and another HC change is going to mean significant changes across the roster whether it's broken or not. I hope people realize that.

Not necessarily. Not necessarily at all, really. I mean after three seasons it'll be a different roster, but that's to be expected anyway.

A decent coach will look to use the talent already here, and of course add to it. A smart coach will use the talent already here better than it's used now, plus add more talent.

I don't think a new coach automatically has a priority to blow up the roster and try to remake the team into something different over night. Just because it's Shanny's way of operating doesn't mean the next guy takes the same approach, and that's a good thing!