Tell 'Em to Pack or Bring 'Em Back

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Why would you say Moss is to expensive when he will be a FA. We saw last week when you look his way he can still put up the numbers. If the price is right I'd have him back. You also want to cut Hall who has just had on of his best years but you want to keep Davis with all his flaws.

I forgot Hall will also be a FA so I'd be OK with maybe a 3 yr deal that we can get out of with no big cap hits.

Moss, I'm kind of on the cusp about. He's really old and is no way starting material, but he's a guy that has been consistent (although not as much this year) and I think still does have some gas left in the tank.

I wouldn't be sad to see him let go, but I'd like to see him retire a Redskin.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Why would you say Moss is to expensive when he will be a FA. We saw last week when you look his way he can still put up the numbers. If the price is right I'd have him back. You also want to cut Hall who has just had on of his best years but you want to keep Davis with all his flaws.

I forgot Hall will also be a FA so I'd be OK with maybe a 3 yr deal that we can get out of with no big cap hits.

On Moss, Hall and Davis I'm looking at age and upside.

Hall is 30 and is coming off one of his best years. If he comes back on a short, cheap deal then sure, that's fine. What are we going to see in 2014, 2015, 2016 that's going to match or improve on this year though, that's the question.

If Moss is back it would be a career achievement award. His production is replaceable at this stage. Next season he's going to be 36 and is not going to be MORE productive. Love the guy, great Redskin but not a building block for the future.

Davis is a risk/reward. He's still young enough and has the skills to be a productive #2 TE. He probably wants to be a starter somewhere but even last year he had no suitors. I wouldn't break the bank (even a piggy bank) however at the right price, with the right coach, he could be a solid retention for us. I'm not sold on Lunchpail Logan as a #2 TE. His blocking has dropped off dramatically this year and he's not really a threat in the passing game. As a #3 I'm fine with him but you can't go into a season with him as your #2 TE and expect to be prolific.

[MTK]

I'd bring back Rak, Riley, Baker, Jackson, and Hall. All the rest can hit the road for younger and cheaper options.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

John Keim posted about the 15 unrestricted free agents the Redskins have and if this is their last game as a Redskin at Fed Ex Field. Simple question, if you were the GM would you tell them to pack or want to bring them back?

My opinion:
BACK-
Brian Orakpo- Homegrown talent at a position of need that will be too expensive to replace in either draft capital or in free agency.

Fred Davis- Especially with a new coach, clean slate. He's got a ton of flaws but I think the right coach can find a way to make him productive again and Reed/Davis can be a devastating combo. Likely will be a one year deal again.

Perry Riley- See reasons for Orakpo.

Chris Baker- Good, young depth and occasional playmaker. This is the type of player in the Snyder era who has gotten away and flourished elsewhere.

E.J. Biggers- Young, fast, provides depth as well and shouldn't cost too much.

PACK
Darryl Tapp, Rex Grossman, Nick Barnett-No individual comments needed, provided little or nothing on the field and won't be missed.

Santana Moss, Reed Doughty-Carryovers from the Gibbs years. Thanks for the service but their production can easily be met or surpassed by younger and cheaper players.

Josh Morgan- He enters the 'Deion Sanders' category of someone who should show up at Redskins Park with a ski mask on whenever he picks up his paycheck.

Josh Wilson & Deangelo Hall- It's time to move on from this duo. I don't know if Wilson would even be in the NFL this year if it wasn't for us. Hall played well all year but this seems like 2012 London Fletcher. We're seeing the last flickers of talent but shouldn't be fooled into thinking it's about to be a real fire again.

Rob Jackson- Really could go either way on him. He's a playmaker when given the chance but not talented or consistent enough to be a starter. Also, one stupid or careless move from a one year drug suspension so he can be replaced but it wouldn't be the worst move if he's retained.

I like your list with the exception of not resigning Rob Jackson, if Fred Davis is willing to grow up and act mature then I would negotiate with him.

[irish]

I wouldnt be surprised to see Rexy back but as a QB coach. From what I heard RG and KC really like him and his input.

[KI Skins Fan]

No to E.J. Biggers! He is the worst tackler in history, both on D and ST.

[SirLK26]

I would bring back Orakpo, Tapp, Davis, Riley, Jackson, Hall, Moss, and Baker.

Grossman, Barnett, Doughty, Biggers, Morgan, and Wilson I would send packing.

And as for J.D. Walton, I don't know.

[Gary84Clark]

EJ Biggers throw him out.

[Gary84Clark]

Fred Davis Seattle Seahawk all pro.

[dmek25]

its really easy to say i would get rid of this guy. but unless you have a plan, someone like hall does have value to the skins

[diehardskin2982]

My hope is that we get out of the 3-4 biz and into a version of the 4-3 under Leo like Seattle with Rack in the Leo position.
I would Keep:

Brian Orakpo- Can develop into elite with better coaching backing him.

Fred Davis- Only with a new coach. He is a talent, but he is also stupid.

Perry Riley- He is Antonio Pierce part 2.

Chris Baker- Good, young depth. Should continue to develop.

Darryl Tapp- Good depth player

Santana Moss- Can be a get player/coach for new crop of receivers

Deangelo Hall- He has taken a pay cut for the team and had a pro-bowl caliber year.

Rob Jackson- Playmaker that would do well in the new defense.

[skinsfaninok]

Hall has arguably been our best player on D

[Schneed10]

Why is Orakpo not worth franchise player money? He's a double digit sack guy, how easy do we think it is to find those guys?

He got hurt a couple times but I can't see holding that against him, there's no evidence those weren't freak things that could have just as easily happened to anybody.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Why is Orakpo not worth franchise player money? He's a double digit sack guy, how easy do we think it is to find those guys?

He got hurt a couple times but I can't see holding that against him, there's no evidence those weren't freak things that could have just as easily happened to anybody.

He is not a top 5 sack guy.
I wouldn't put him in the same class as a Robert Mathis, Mario Williams or the Kid in STL.
He just doesn't beat the elite left tackles in the league.
Dallas has a solid LT and I will be surprised if RAK can do anything against him.

It's all about money not just about who we want to keep.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by jamf

He is not a top 5 sack guy.
I wouldn't put him in the same class as a Robert Mathis, Mario Williams or the Kid in STL.
He just doesn't beat the elite left tackles in the league.
Dallas has a solid LT and I will be surprised if RAK can do anything against him.

It's all about money not just about who we want to keep.

Orakpo's not a top-5 pass rusher in stats, but that's because he doesn't rush the quarterback every down. He's a complete linebacker, not just a pass rushing specialist. If he would rush the quarterback as much as the other elite pass rushers, he would be their equal in stats. So if he wants to be paid like Robert Mathis, then we need to pay him like that.

And, for whatever it's worth, Haslett says Orakpo is an elite pass rusher...

Need to Know: Haslett makes case for ‘elite’ Orakpo | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins