Let's talk about the front office situation

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Pales in comparison is your opinion, one which I strongly disagree on. Snyder's reputation hasn't been conjured up by some propaganda machine. He's earned it.

Their are plenty of owners who don't meddle with their team's front office, and given Snyders track record- it's time for him to exclude himself from the football operations.

You mean like he has for the last four years when Shanahan had TOTAL control over football operations?

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

You mean like he has for the last four years when Shanahan had TOTAL control over football operations?

No, I mean what I wrote earlier in the thread

Originally Posted by RobH4413

If you heard JLC this morning on the junkies- he delivered a pretty striking sermon regarding the Redskins current FO situation. He didn't have as much pessimism about finding a good coach, but implied that the Dan Snyder can only skin a cat two ways.

• Having the head coach (a la Shotty, Gibbs, and Shanny) have complete control, even when they aren't qualified to do so. Gibbs was not ever known to build a roster. Shanahan was fired from Denver for personnel gaffes as well.

• Or having the front office take control, with Snyder directly involved a la Jerry Jones.

The current look right now is the latter of the two, and JLC was extremely pessimistic about the chances of success for the Redskins, as am I. Bruce Allen's strengths have never been personnel (he's earned his experience through contracts/negotiations with agents), and now we're going to have to live through another round of Danny boy fiddling with the roster

I can't see why it's so damn hard to hire a true GM and step back and let the process play. He wants to be involved, and beyond that I think he LOOOOVESSS to be involved. It's his team and he can do whatever he wants.

I really hope this isn't the case, because we're in for another long stretch folks if it is.

[RobH4413]

Let me be clear. I am advocating for a true GM because I think these two previously (repeatedly) used templates for running the organization suck.

1. Give a coach 100% control over football operation. (Shottenheimer, Gibbs, Shanahan)
2. Handcuff F/O and coach with Quasi-GM bureaucratic mess (Spurrier, Zorn)

My proposed solution is for a true GM (not Snyder's right hand man), with respectable football organizational and social skills to provide a coaching staff with the tools for success.

Perhaps Allen and co can succeed with this template, but I'm worried about the influence Snyder has on the team, due to the track record. I'm hoping more changes come, and Snyder openly and officially steps back and let's the football guys do what they know how to do.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Let me be clear. I am advocating for a true GM because I think these two previously (repeatedly) used templates for running the organization suck.

1. Give a coach 100% control over football operation. (Shottenheimer, Gibbs, Shanahan)
2. Handcuff F/O and coach with Quasi-GM bureaucratic mess (Spurrier, Zorn)

My proposed solution is for a true GM (not Snyder's right hand man), with respectable football organizational and social skills to provide a coaching staff with the tools for success.

Perhaps Allen and co can succeed with this template, but I'm worried about the influence Snyder has on the team, due to the track record. I'm hoping more changes come, and Snyder openly and officially steps back and let's the football guys do what they know how to do.

I agree we need a true GM, but I am not sold that Snyder had shown the ability to hire a competent one that he trusts to run the show

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Let me be clear. I am advocating for a true GM because I think these two previously (repeatedly) used templates for running the organization suck.

1. Give a coach 100% control over football operation. (Shottenheimer, Gibbs, Shanahan)
2. Handcuff F/O and coach with Quasi-GM bureaucratic mess (Spurrier, Zorn)

My proposed solution is for a true GM (not Snyder's right hand man), with respectable football organizational and social skills to provide a coaching staff with the tools for success.

Perhaps Allen and co can succeed with this template, but I'm worried about the influence Snyder has on the team, due to the track record. I'm hoping more changes come, and Snyder openly and officially steps back and let's the football guys do what they know how to do.

I really don't understand your position, but it seems to be one based out of pure speculation/distrust of Snyder. By most all accounts he stayed out of Gibbs and Shanahan's way, and mostly out of Cerrato's way as well. You say he has a track record, but his last 8 years of owning the team has been mostly with him on the outside letting the people he thought he could trust handle it. He is still a work in progress as an owner, but he's by no means the same guy who fired Marty brashly.

I just hope we get something that works for the Skins, regardless of how long the process takes

[WillH]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really don't understand your position, but it seems to be one based out of pure speculation/distrust of Snyder. By most all accounts he stayed out of Gibbs and Shanahan's way, and mostly out of Cerrato's way as well. You say he has a track record, but his last 8 years of owning the team has been mostly with him on the outside letting the people he thought he could trust handle it. He is still a work in progress as an owner, but he's by no means the same guy who fired Marty brashly.

I just hope we get something that works for the Skins, regardless of how long the process takes

You are saying exactly what he said, he gave Gibbs/Shanahan full control, what you are not getting is that when he gives full control it is to someone without experience/talent for picking players.

Most teams have a GM that is known for having an eye for talent and team building. BA is not known for these things. SO the question is:

Why can't he give full control to someone with personnel experience?

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really don't understand your position, but it seems to be one based out of pure speculation/distrust of Snyder. By most all accounts he stayed out of Gibbs and Shanahan's way, and mostly out of Cerrato's way as well. You say he has a track record, but his last 8 years of owning the team has been mostly with him on the outside letting the people he thought he could trust handle it. He is still a work in progress as an owner, but he's by no means the same guy who fired Marty brashly.

I just hope we get something that works for the Skins, regardless of how long the process takes

You pretty much nailed my position. I don't trust Snyder, and would like someone other then a head coach (under qualified to make personnel decisions) to have total control of the organization.

I'm envious of your optimism of Snyder's rebirth as an owner, but I just don't buy it. I understand it's a tired subject to bash Snyder's ways... so I'm going to do my best to steer clear of it as it's a considerably moot point.

Moving forward, I've heard that those involved in personnel currently within the organization are talented- and I support empowering them by promoting from within.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

You pretty much nailed my position. I don't trust Snyder, and would like someone other then a head coach (under qualified to make personnel decisions) to have total control of the organization.

I'm envious of your optimism of Snyder's rebirth as an owner, but I just don't buy it. I understand it's a tired subject to bash Snyder's ways... so I'm going to do my best to steer clear of it as it's a considerably moot point.

Moving forward, I've heard that those involved in personnel currently within the organization are talented- and I support empowering them by promoting from within.

But don't you know that Snyder really cares about the Redskins, and only wants what's best for them, hasn't he proven that? He deserves your trust, and so does Bruce Allen, they are Redskins fans, lifers ya know. Who would you rather have at the helm? You must be a Cowboys fan . . .