Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

[Hail to the Redskins]

Let's just throw this out there..

Ramsey starts the game 1 for 4 for 4 yds, INT...

he then goes 5 for 7 for 101 yards (not bad AT ALL!) BUT...

if the bogus penalty on Cooley wasn't called it becomes 6 for 8 for 107 yds, TD. AND don't forget Portis drops a VERY catchable ball in there that would have been a 7 yarder which would have made him 7 for 8 for 114yds, TD after his first 4 attempts. I'd say that's damn good for ANY quarterback in the NFL in their first REAL action of the season after getting warmed-up (first 4 attempts).

Also let's DEFINITELY not forget the Brunell threw an INT into Vasher's hands as well, only his was called back due to penalty. So basically, Ramsey has a TD called back, and Brunell has a pick called back...

This is nuts. It even looked like Patrick was starting to look comfortable out there for once. It is VERY clear from watching the 2 play that you have 2 basic options. You can go with the Favre-type QB in the sense that he can and will get big chunks of yards on some plays yet throw a few INTs as well, or a guy who can only be ULTRA--ULTRA CONSERVATIVE throwing slants and WR screens but not many INTs. We proved last year that you HAVE to TRY and go downfield to help the running game and to score FREAKING TOUCHDOWNS to win games!! Remember that if we would have scored on average 21 points per game last year (which is less than the 6-10 panthers scored) we'd have been 11-5!!!

Can Brunell lead this team to the Super Bowl?? NO. Let Ramsey PROVE... I mean REALLY prove his isn't the future...

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

Let's just throw this out there..

Ramsey starts the game 1 for 4 for 4 yds, INT...

he then goes 5 for 7 for 101 yards (not bad AT ALL!) BUT...

if the bogus penalty on Cooley wasn't called it becomes 6 for 8 for 107 yds, TD. AND don't forget Portis drops a VERY catchable ball in there that would have been a 7 yarder which would have made him 7 for 8 for 114yds, TD after his first 4 attempts. I'd say that's damn good for ANY quarterback in the NFL in their first REAL action of the season after getting warmed-up (first 4 attempts).

Also let's DEFINITELY not forget the Brunell threw an INT into Vasher's hands as well, only his was called back due to penalty. So basically, Ramsey has a TD called back, and Brunell has a pick called back...

This is nuts. It even looked like Patrick was starting to look comfortable out there for once. It is VERY clear from watching the 2 play that you have 2 basic options. You can go with the Favre-type QB in the sense that he can and will get big chunks of yards on some plays yet throw a few INTs as well, or a guy who can only be ULTRA--ULTRA CONSERVATIVE throwing slants and WR screens but not many INTs. We proved last year that you HAVE to TRY and go downfield to help the running game and to score FREAKING TOUCHDOWNS to win games!! Remember that if we would have scored on average 21 points per game last year (which is less than the 6-10 panthers scored) we'd have been 11-5!!!

Can Brunell lead this team to the Super Bowl?? NO. Let Ramsey PROVE... I mean REALLY prove his isn't the future...

Who cares who leads this team to the Super Bowl? This shit is getting ridiculous.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Who cares who leads this team to the Super Bowl? This shit is getting ridiculous.

I actually agree with you, it is ridiculous to think either Ramsey or Brunell is going to lead this team to the Super Bowl. Not going to happen, especially not going to happen with Brunell.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

Let's just throw this out there..

Ramsey starts the game 1 for 4 for 4 yds, INT...

he then goes 5 for 7 for 101 yards (not bad AT ALL!) BUT...

if the bogus penalty on Cooley wasn't called it becomes 6 for 8 for 107 yds, TD. AND don't forget Portis drops a VERY catchable ball in there that would have been a 7 yarder which would have made him 7 for 8 for 114yds, TD after his first 4 attempts. I'd say that's damn good for ANY quarterback in the NFL in their first REAL action of the season after getting warmed-up (first 4 attempts).

Also let's DEFINITELY not forget the Brunell threw an INT into Vasher's hands as well, only his was called back due to penalty. So basically, Ramsey has a TD called back, and Brunell has a pick called back...

This is nuts. It even looked like Patrick was starting to look comfortable out there for once. It is VERY clear from watching the 2 play that you have 2 basic options. You can go with the Favre-type QB in the sense that he can and will get big chunks of yards on some plays yet throw a few INTs as well, or a guy who can only be ULTRA--ULTRA CONSERVATIVE throwing slants and WR screens but not many INTs. We proved last year that you HAVE to TRY and go downfield to help the running game and to score FREAKING TOUCHDOWNS to win games!! Remember that if we would have scored on average 21 points per game last year (which is less than the 6-10 panthers scored) we'd have been 11-5!!!

Can Brunell lead this team to the Super Bowl?? NO. Let Ramsey PROVE... I mean REALLY prove his isn't the future...

You know HTTR, the funny thing is all the Brunell supporters just assume that Brunell wont turn the ball over, as if it's a given, I will say it again, 9 turnovers in 9 games last season, and the INT against the bears that was called back was thrown up for grabs, we got lucky that the defender grabed a jersey because he probably didn't need to.

I really don't know where all this Brunell wont turn the ball over nonesense is coming from, probably because the only guy Gibbs gets on about TO's is Ramsey, he has a thousand excuses for his #1 son Brunell, and treats Ramsey like a redheaded step child.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

You know HTTR, the funny thing is all the Brunell supporters just assume that Brunell wont turn the ball over, as if it's a given, I will say it again, 9 turnovers in 9 games last season, and the INT against the bears that was called back was thrown up for grabs, we got lucky that the defender grabed a jersey because he probably didn't need to.

I really don't know where all this Brunell wont turn the ball over nonesense is coming from, probably because the only guy Gibbs gets on about TO's is Ramsey, he has a thousand excuses for his #1 son Brunell, and treats Ramsey like a redheaded step child.

How many turnovers did Brunell have this preseason?

How many did Ramsey have?

I don't want to hear this crap about how the preseason doesn't matter and we should just overlook what happened.

Bottom line is you still have to make the right decisions and get the ball to where it needs to go.

Ramsey threw some really bad INTs, the kind of INTs that are understandable if a rookie is tossing them.

Brunell on the other hand didn't, despite the fact he was working with the 2nd and 3rd string offense.

For the record I'm not a Brunell supporter, and I'm not a Ramsey supporter, I'm a Redskins supporter #1, and a Gibbs supporter #2. I don't care who's playing QB as long as we're winning.

[illdefined]

preseason does matter. but it doesn't matter more than what happens in regular season.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

preseason does matter. but it doesn't matter more than what happens in regular season.

Exactly, so another INT and 2 fumbles later, it's the last straw for Gibbs and Ramsey is outta there.

Brunell by the way had 0 turnovers the rest of the game.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Exactly, so another INT and 2 fumbles later, it's the last straw for Gibbs and Ramsey is outta there.

Brunell by the way had 0 turnovers the rest of the game.

Going back to the preseason, you cant really tell me that the offense we ran almost our entire preseason looked anything like the offense we ran in the regular season game? Thats not saying Ramsey didnt make some stupid throws in preseason, because he did. However that type of offense was turnovers waiting to happen.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Going back to the preseason, you cant really tell me that the offense we ran almost our entire preseason looked anything like the offense we ran in the regular season game? Thats not saying Ramsey didnt make some stupid throws in preseason, because he did. However that type of offense was turnovers waiting to happen.

Why is Brunell so quick to get tossed under the bus yet here we are defending Ramsey's turnovers?

Regardless of the offense, you still have to make the right throw and be accurate. Can you honestly say Ramsey did those things consistently??

Why did Brunell not come in and turn it over because we weren't running our "real" offense?

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by offiss

You know HTTR, the funny thing is all the Brunell supporters just assume that Brunell wont turn the ball over, as if it's a given, I will say it again, 9 turnovers in 9 games last season, and the INT against the bears that was called back was thrown up for grabs, we got lucky that the defender grabed a jersey because he probably didn't need to.

I really don't know where all this Brunell wont turn the ball over nonesense is coming from, probably because the only guy Gibbs gets on about TO's is Ramsey, he has a thousand excuses for his #1 son Brunell, and treats Ramsey like a redheaded step child.

You're right. Every Ramsey basher has pointed to his TOs, but none of them has talked about Brunell's 9 TOs in 9 games last year. Why is this seen as a Ramsey problem? Brunell is guilty of the exact same thing.

[Big Oh]

Originally Posted by LadyT

You're right. Every Ramsey basher has pointed to his TOs, but none of them has talked about Brunell's 9 TOs in 9 games last year. Why is this seen as a Ramsey problem? Brunell is guilty of the exact same thing.

Your right, the one pick we now know came because the reciever ran the wrong route and the second fumble should have been a 15 yard penalty.

Nobody is thinking about the future here! Campbell wont be ready for 2-4 years and Brunell who I have tremedous respect for does not have much left.
Patrick is in the stage of his career where he needs to play through his mistakes to get bettter. (He was starting to settle down and get comfortable in the pocket and build confidence.) There is no better team to do it with. We have the BEST defense in the league and a running game that is awesome if we dont have to face 8 men in the box 90% of the time.

[Joe Knows...]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

Let's just throw this out there..

Ramsey starts the game 1 for 4 for 4 yds, INT...

he then goes 5 for 7 for 101 yards (not bad AT ALL!) BUT...

if the bogus penalty on Cooley wasn't called it becomes 6 for 8 for 107 yds, TD. AND don't forget Portis drops a VERY catchable ball in there that would have been a 7 yarder which would have made him 7 for 8 for 114yds, TD after his first 4 attempts. I'd say that's damn good for ANY quarterback in the NFL in their first REAL action of the season after getting warmed-up (first 4 attempts).

That thought has crossed my mind as well. Ramsey Started off as a stinker like he had all preseason, but seemed to get better as he went along.

The key to all this thing is if Mark Brunell has his physical ability back. If he can throw the ball deep again, like he hinted at in the preseason with his play, and if he can move around and make plays while taking care of the football and make smart decisions then I would guaruntee we have a shot at the play offs.