Paintrain's all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread (Version 2.0)

[redskin37]

Originally Posted by Bucket

I would take Pryor over all of them, and he's about to get cut.

Best post of the day.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Player A:
11,108 yards passing, 68 touchdowns and 45 interceptions.
Completion percentage: 59.6
Yards per attempt: 7
Yards gained per pass completion: 11.8
Player B:
11,049 yards passing, 67 touchdowns and 32 interceptions.
Completion percentage: 59.9
Yards per attempt: 7.1
Yards gained per pass completion: 11.8.

Player A is Freeman. Player B is Joe Flacco, who just signed a six-year, $120.6 million deal with more than $50 million guaranteed. Eli Manning, in that same time period as Freeman (his second, third and fourth seasons), threw for 10,342 yards, 71 touchdowns and 55 interceptions.
We're not suggesting Freeman, Flacco and Manning are interchangeable, but we are trying to take a look at the bigger picture here. According to the analytical site Pro Football Focus, he's between a 50-60 percent passer under pressure as a regular starter, which is no different than Andrew Luck's first two seasons (again, not suggesting they are the same player).

I'm not much of a numbers guy. Forget the numbers for a minute. Have you seen Freeman play in the last couple of years? Do you think that your team could win enough games with him under center to lead your team to the division title if Eli were to miss ten games, eight games, or six games? Bear in mind that the other teams in the division might be starting Romo, Foles, and RGIII over the same time period.

No team in the NFC East is dominant over the other three teams in the division. In most division games, there will come a time when a QB must make a play for his team to win. For example, fourth down in the Red Zone with his team trailing late in the 4th quarter. That type of play. I think Eli, Romo, Foles, and a healthy RGIII can make that play. I don't think that any of their backups can be expected to make that play. Therefore, I think that the health of their starting QB is critical to each of the teams' chances of winning the division.

Now, if you were to tell me that you think the Giants will completely dominate the division at the LOS and that they could win the division with any half-way decent QB, then that is another argument altogether.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I'm not much of a numbers guy. Forget the numbers for a minute. Have you seen Freeman play in the last couple of years? Do you think that your team could win enough games with him under center to lead your team to the division title if Eli were to miss ten games, eight games, or six games? Bear in mind that the other teams in the division might be starting Romo, Foles, and RGIII over the same time period.

No team in the NFC East is dominant over the other three teams in the division. .

Giving Freeman enough time to learn a system and not have a head case for a head coach ,yes I think he could lead the Giants if need be .What you need to realize is Romo ...is Romo , Foles has had one good year , RGIII has had one good year ,Freeman has had one good year, so yes I do .
As for NFCE teams , no teams are dominant ,every time one plays another they are battles ,big wins once in a whiles but mostly battles .

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Giving Freeman enough time to learn a system and not have a head case for a head coach, yes I think he could lead the Giants if need be.

Good luck with that.

Your arguments that tried to roughly equate him with Flacco, RGIII, and Foles were very weak. He is so poorly regarded at this point that he was fortunate to land a backup job.

By the way, your OL has not been "fixed". Your team has made some good moves in an attempt to fix it but, right now, there is no verification that it has been fixed. If and when it is fixed, you'll still have a poor group of RB's operating behind it.

I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Good luck with that.

Your arguments that tried to roughly equate him with Flacco, RGIII, and Foles were very weak. He is so poorly regarded at this point that he was fortunate to land a backup job.

By the way, your OL has not been "fixed". Your team has made some good moves in an attempt to fix it but, right now, there is no verification that it has been fixed. If and when it is fixed, you'll still have a poor group of RB's operating behind it.
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LOL,I might have to remind you that if the O line was broken for the QB then it wasn't working to well for the running backs either ,I'm sure RGIII will agree with me on that .
So yup I'll have a great weekend ,thanks .

[punch it in]

Hey Giant one. You got two recent superbowl championships. We got a loud mouth in April. Well some of us do. Lol.

[Meks]

freeman stinks. end of story

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

A lot of comments about back up qbs.

Let's debate the state of the teams with healthy qbs.

Giantone your throwing out a lot of stats but missing the main point of freeman the last two years is he has played rather poor. There is really no debating that.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Hey Giant one. You got two recent superbowl championships. We got a loud mouth in April. Well some of us do. Lol.

Never take sides against the family.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Never take sides against the family.

That's so true.

[punch it in]

My apologies to the family. Please dont take me out to the middle of the lake on a suspicious fishing trip.
Seriously I just want my team to do my talking ...... One time.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

A lot of comments about back up qbs.

Let's debate the state of the teams with healthy qbs.

Giantone your throwing out a lot of stats but missing the main point of freeman the last two years is he has played rather poor. There is really no debating that.

Last year I won't count ,the coach at Tampa (by way of Rutgers) was a head case and yes he has had a bad time but he has played well just as other NFC east QB's have done ,gone from a great year to a bad one with all sorts of reasons as the cause ,not missing the point at all and wasn't trying to debate you ,you ask I answered .

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Never take sides against the family.

He didn't ,he just pointed out a couple of facts .


I think the mods are ok with him .

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Last year I won't count ,the coach at Tampa (by way of Rutgers) was a head case and yes he has had a bad time but he has played well just as other NFC east QB's have done ,gone from a great year to a bad one with all sorts of reasons as the cause ,not missing the point at all and wasn't trying to debate you ,you ask I answered .

You have to count last year though, and as much of a head case as GS was the backup QB and rookie came in and played much better than Freeman. He gave the team a spark that the incumbant couldn't.

Anyway still silly to waste my time talking about backup qbs who neither one of us want to see play!

I am sure you want to watch Josh Freeman start consecutive games as much as I want to see Kirk Cousins do the same. So lets get back to discussing the teams with the starters in place. In which I tend to agree with you in that all three teams, Eagles, Giants and Redskins really don't do much to seperate themselves from the other two. I am discounting the Cowboys this year because I just don't see them being able to do much.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

He didn't ,he just pointed out a couple of facts .


I think the mods are ok with him .

Eh, "We got a loud mouth in April." Absolutely qualifies as talking against the family. Mods are Mods but family is family.

Second that short boat ride for punch, and a retraction won't fix a thing.