Why I'm Not Gonna Panic About Our QB

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

In order to improve you have to focus on your weaknesses. Doesn't make much sense to just focus on what you already do well.

What is RG3 doing well right now? From what I have seen its not much but like I said, there's still time to get thing ironed out. I'd really like to see him play at least a quarter in the final preseason game because it seems like he needs the live action reps.

BTW, all this QB controversy is baloney. There is no QB controversy because the Skins didnt give up all those draft pick for RG3 to not play. RG3 is the QB until something catastrophic happens.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

What is RG3 doing well right now? From what I have seen its not much but like I said, there's still time to get thing ironed out. I'd really like to see him play at least a quarter in the final preseason game because it seems like he needs the live action reps.



BTW, all this QB controversy is baloney. There is no QB controversy because the Skins didnt give up all those draft pick for RG3 to not play. RG3 is the QB until something catastrophic happens.

What does he do well? Put on the tape from 2012. Check tape from 2013 (it wasn't all bad considering the circumstances).

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

What does he do well? Put on the tape from 2012. Check tape from 2013 (it wasn't all bad considering the circumstances).

I know what he did well but what's he doing well now? He's not even close to the same player he was in 2012 (because if he was we wouldn't be having this discussion) and he did do some good things in 2013 but so far in 2014 he seems to be struggling with everything.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by irish

I know what he did well but what's he doing well now? He's not even close to the same player he was in 2012 (because if he was we wouldn't be having this discussion) and he did do some good things in 2013 but so far in 2014 he seems to be struggling with everything.

i think he is the same player. what happened in 2012 was a beautiful piece of coaching and scheming that constantly had RG3s first read wide open, a deadly PA bc of the read option/pistol formation and alfmo excelling at running the zone read.

until RG3 learns to see the field better, he needs to have the offense dialed down for him - i.e. only have him scan half the field on any given passing play. its unrealistic to expect him to see/read the entire field.

he is the same player as 2012 imo in terms of explosiveness/intangibles but he is being used/coached differently. but it is only preseason so who knows how he really will be used come reg season.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i think he is the same player. what happened in 2012 was a beautiful piece of coaching and scheming that constantly had RG3s first read wide open, a deadly PA bc of the read option/pistol formation and alfmo excelling at running the zone read.

until RG3 learns to see the field better, he needs to have the offense dialed down for him - i.e. only have him scan half the field on any given passing play. its unrealistic to expect him to see/read the entire field.

he is the same player as 2012 imo in terms of explosiveness/intangibles but he is being used/coached differently. but it is only preseason so who knows how he really will be used come reg season.

Ok so Devil's Advocate here, we all love the 2012 RG3 because of read-option and play action and misdirection and all the things that made RG3 a "force". NOW we can't play "2012 RG3 football" because he might get hurt. So we basically have to hamstring him and make him a pocket passer so he won't get hurt, but in all honestly maybe he is not an Andy Dalton pocket passer. So then what do you do? Cousins is a pocket passer. Yes he was playing with and against the 2nds but he looks good in an Andy Dalton offense.

Here is what I think, I think we see 5-10 read options on Sunday September 7th, we see more bootlegs, we see quick screens. I hope what happens is Gruden takes a look at RG3 and asks him "tell me 10 plays you really like, and lets run those!"

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by scowan

Ok so Devil's Advocate here, we all love the 2012 RG3 because of read-option and play action and misdirection and all the things that made RG3 a "force". NOW we can't play "2012 RG3 football" because he might get hurt. So we basically have to hamstring him and make him a pocket passer so he won't get hurt, but in all honestly maybe he is not an Andy Dalton pocket passer. So then what do you do? Cousins is a pocket passer. Yes he was playing with and against the 2nds but he looks good in an Andy Dalton offense.

Here is what I think, I think we see 5-10 read options on Sunday September 7th, we see more bootlegs, we see quick screens. I hope what happens is Gruden takes a look at RG3 and asks him "tell me 10 plays you really like, and lets run those!"

So generally speaking, I'm not sure how anyone who watched Cousins play in relief against Atlanta and Seattle as a rookie or in any of his starts last years can really consider that he's a better option at QB. He's played one good game (vs. Cleveland) and two good drives (vs. Baltimore) and otherwise has been mediocre. He's Rex Grossman 2.0 at best.

While nobody has seen our new offense overall, to expect it to be a bland, straight dropback offense is as foolish as expecting it to be a 2012 RG3 centric offense. I'd expect it to be lots of movement off of the run game, playaction with drop back elements and limited read option. Against the Texans, probably no read option plays because Watt and Clowney are beasts off of the edge so don't play into the strength of them potentially hitting your QB. Against the Jags in week 2, they don't have much in terms of DL studs so we can run some read option plays and keep them on their toes.

Too many people are focused on RG3 being a perfect QB on opening day. I'm much more interested on how he will be on December 8th than September 8th.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So generally speaking, I'm not sure how anyone who watched Cousins play in relief against Atlanta and Seattle as a rookie or in any of his starts last years can really consider that he's a better option at QB. He's played one good game (vs. Cleveland) and two good drives (vs. Baltimore) and otherwise has been mediocre. He's Rex Grossman 2.0 at best.

While nobody has seen our new offense overall, to expect it to be a bland, straight dropback offense is as foolish as expecting it to be a 2012 RG3 centric offense. I'd expect it to be lots of movement off of the run game, playaction with drop back elements and limited read option. Against the Texans, probably no read option plays because Watt and Clowney are beasts off of the edge so don't play into the strength of them potentially hitting your QB. Against the Jags in week 2, they don't have much in terms of DL studs so we can run some read option plays and keep them on their toes.

Too many people are focused on RG3 being a perfect QB on opening day. I'm much more interested on how he will be on December 8th than September 8th.

And you can judge this by 4 starts? He's hit his ceiling already?? Ok.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by scowan

Ok so Devil's Advocate here, we all love the 2012 RG3 because of read-option and play action and misdirection and all the things that made RG3 a "force". NOW we can't play "2012 RG3 football" because he might get hurt. So we basically have to hamstring him and make him a pocket passer so he won't get hurt, but in all honestly maybe he is not an Andy Dalton pocket passer. So then what do you do? Cousins is a pocket passer. Yes he was playing with and against the 2nds but he looks good in an Andy Dalton offense.

Here is what I think, I think we see 5-10 read options on Sunday September 7th, we see more bootlegs, we see quick screens. I hope what happens is Gruden takes a look at RG3 and asks him "tell me 10 plays you really like, and lets run those!"

what i bolded is what i expect to see week 1. i also think what we saw against the browns will be his MO - quick hits and on longer pass plays if the 1st read isnt there his 2nd read is a dump down/safety valve. obviously i would love it if rg3 could go through progressions like peyton or brady but he is still learning and growing and isnt there yet. but he will be one day.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

what i bolded is what i expect to see week 1. i also think what we saw against the browns will be his MO - quick hits and on longer pass plays if the 1st read isnt there his 2nd read is a dump down/safety valve. obviously i would love it if rg3 could go through progressions like peyton or brady but he is still learning and growing and isnt there yet. but he will be one day.

I'm thinking you could really take advantage of Clowney on some Read Option in Week 1. I don't know why I feel that way but I do. RG3 better learn how to slide this week. Can he skip a day of practice with the Redskins and go practice with the Nationals? At least pick up some winning attitude?

[scowan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

what i bolded is what i expect to see week 1. i also think what we saw against the browns will be his MO - quick hits and on longer pass plays if the 1st read isnt there his 2nd read is a dump down/safety valve. obviously i would love it if rg3 could go through progressions like peyton or brady but he is still learning and growing and isnt there yet. but he will be one day.

I'm thinking you could really take advantage of Clowney on some Read Option in Week 1. I don't know why I feel that way but I do. RG3 better learn how to slide this week. Can he skip a day of practice with the Redskins and go practice with the Nationals? At least pick up some winning attitude?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

What is RG3 doing well right now? From what I have seen its not much but like I said, there's still time to get thing ironed out. I'd really like to see him play at least a quarter in the final preseason game because it seems like he needs the live action reps.

BTW, all this QB controversy is baloney. There is no QB controversy because the Skins didnt give up all those draft pick for RG3 to not play. RG3 is the QB until something catastrophic happens.

Like I said earlier, we didn't see what he does well in the preseason. There were very few, if any bubble screens, no play action, no rollouts, no misdirection. Every pass he threw was a designed pocket play. Maybe, just maybe, that was so Gruden can evaluate the line, and Griffin's pocket awareness. There will be plays where Griffin has to stand in the pocket and deliver, but at least at first, I doubt that will be our primary offensive plan. We should see heavy run and play action in the early downs, and rollouts and bubble screens on 2nd/3rd intermediate downs.