Expectations for the rest of the season...

[Rotten1980]

Couple answers:

I didn't mention anything about Gibbs, not sure who that was?

I never want Vinnie here again, my point was Bruce Allen has actually been worse in terms of the GM/personnel situation. Time to restructure the FO is what I'm saying.

Not sure what y'all are seeing in Gruden that deserves another year.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Couple answers:

I didn't mention anything about Gibbs, not sure who that was?

I never want Vinnie here again, my point was Bruce Allen has actually been worse in terms of the GM/personnel situation. Time to restructure the FO is what I'm saying.

Not sure what y'all are seeing in Gruden that deserves anoth

Noer year.

This franchise has been a......revolving door of coaches and....."New" systems. Nothing would shout incompetence more loudly than changing directions...yet again and not even ONE Season????
Are you kidding me....he needs a chance with the 3-13 team he inherited. And FWIW, I like his style...shoot from the hip.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Hog1

This franchise has been a......revolving door of coaches and....."New" systems. Nothing would shout incompetence more loudly than changing directions...yet again and not even ONE Season????
Are you kidding me....he needs a chance with the 3-13 team he inherited. And FWIW, I like his style...shoot from the hip.

Gruden is super likable for sure, like his big brother. I like him, and said it a few times already.

He's not HC material though. He's entering Zorn territory with his x's and o's and now leadership, or lack there of.

Sacking an HC midseason is almost never a good idea. Giving a clearly inadequate HC another year is just as bad though.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Gruden is super likable for sure, like his big brother. I like him, and said it a few times already.

He's not HC material though. He's entering Zorn territory with his x's and o's and now leadership, or lack there of.

Sacking an HC midseason is almost never a good idea. Giving a clearly inadequate HC another year is just as bad though.

What makes you so sure he will be a failure. There have been a lot of HOF coaches that looked like complete failures their first year... And then won a Super Bowl 2 years later.

It is too early to say anything about gruden. Allen however...

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by donofriose

What makes you so sure he will be a failure. There have been a lot of HOF coaches that looked like complete failures their first year... And then won a Super Bowl 2 years later.

It is too early to say anything about gruden. Allen however...

Maybe Belichick fits that description, although what he started in Cleveland was pretty special. Not sure who else would fit your description?

I'm saying there's nothing special to point at with Gruden. Just the fact so many players are acting out says he doesn't command respect and lead the team. Not just RG, I'm talking about the locker room crap after the Vikes game. And the same crap translates to the field. Grudens team has been sloppy and unprepared almost every game. They don't play smart and they don't play hard.

His offense isn't impressive either. Not enough play action and pushing the ball down the field. So apart from him being likable and saying some clever things at the podium, what's he doing to earn this opportunity? Feels pretty similar to zorn. Are you glad we kept him for a 2nd season?