The everything Gruden thread

HailGreen28 · 12-03-2014, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I agree with that 100%. Too many people up here brushed aside his commercials and endorsements in the beginning. Well, they are very much related to how dedicated he is to football. Then again, Robert thought "practice was much harder than games" back in 2012. Robert was too busy acting like a superstar instead of actually becoming one.

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

MTK · 12-03-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HailGreen28

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

Yeah I still don't think it's a big deal either.

Sharpe brings up some valid points but doing commercials is probably the last thing to be concerned about.

Hog1 · 12-03-2014, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HailGreen28

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

When Robert was kickin it in 2012...who cared then about Subway...etc? When you struggle or are not winning, many people focus on stupid...BS

NC_Skins · 12-03-2014, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HailGreen28

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

For starters, all three of those guys didn't do commercials until they were a proven commodity. Robert was making commercials long before the season even begin. It's one thing if you have your shit together, and have your game tight. This isn't the case, and it shows. All the time focused on your "branding" and marketing should have been spent making yourself a better football player. Something that Peyton had to do early in his career.

Ruhskins · 12-03-2014, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

For starters, all three of those guys didn't do commercials until they were a proven commodity. Robert was making commercials long before the season even begin. It's one thing if you have your shit together, and have your game tight. This isn't the case, and it shows. All the time focused on your "branding" and marketing should have been spent making yourself a better football player. Something that Peyton had to do early in his career.

People really need to get over this crap.

KI Skins Fan · 12-03-2014, 11:22 AM

It takes a gifted Head Coach to be able to adapt his system to the players he inherited and win with them versus rebuilding with players who better fit his system. There are only a small number of great Head Coaches who have been able to do that. Don Shula and Joe Gibbs are two of them. I know there are some others but, because I'm old and the memory is the second thing to go, I can't think of any more names right now.

Paintrain · 12-03-2014, 05:10 PM

Not gonna lie, I was happy with the Gruden selection (maybe happy is a stretch but I liked him best of all that interviewed) but I've been very disappointed.

In his first 12 games he's amassed a Pettibon like record and decided not one but TWO of the QB on the roster aren't fits for him and we're starting a 5th year retread. Even if McCoy goes 3-2 down the stretch, does anyone feel comfortable with him as a starter going into the offseason program? If you believe in sudden career resurrections in today's NFL, please see McCown, Josh.

This team needs a complete reboot and I don't think that the combination of Snyder/Allen/Gruden can effectively do it. Although that's mainly an indictment of Allen the most but they are all buddies so this sh*tshow will remain in place for a couple of years.

I've never been more apathetic about a Skins team. I watch on Sundays just because there are only 16 Sundays a year I can see my team but without a true care if they win or lose at this point. I can't guarantee that I'll be any more interested going forward until there are major philosophical changes up top and there's a football guy running the show without connection to the sidelines or owners box.

skinsfan69 · 12-03-2014, 10:05 PM

Nothing wrong with being on tv if you're backing it up on the field. Not the case with Griffin. I'm sure "RG3" has worn thin on his teammates. Very telling that he wasn't voted captain by his teammates. Probably pretty rare for a starting QB not to have that status. To me that says a lot.

Rotten1980 · 12-03-2014, 11:19 PM

If the franchise already decided to part ways with RG then I wish him all the best with his next team. And I hope McCoy is our great comeback story instead. Still dislike Grudens handling of the QB situation, not to mention the whole team this season. Gruden couldn't have done any worse up to this point, but I want to stay positive and think McCoy perfectly fits whatever Gruden is trying to do with the offense.

ethat001 · 12-03-2014, 11:20 PM

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“I felt like last week early in the game, I wasn’t getting the call in until 20, 25 seconds, then getting everybody up to the line, trying to see the defense and make adjustments on the line of scrimmage on the road.” McCoy said. “That’s just tough to do.”

Avoiding third and long is McCoyâ€™s priority Sunday against St. Louis - The Washington Post

Seems like Colt was implying Gruden was sending the calls in late... Hope that was an isolated thing..

Rotten1980 · 12-04-2014, 12:39 AM

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Seems like Colt was implying Gruden was sending the calls in late... Hope that was an isolated thing..

No it's been a problem all season. Teams lack of preparation and sloppiness on gameday is on Gruden.

Defensewins · 12-04-2014, 08:31 AM

Deciding to change starters at a certain position because your starter is not playing well, does not mean coach dislikes that player and is forever giving up on the former starter.
You should still have to earn your position on the field, even the coddled Qb position where QB's are treated differently than the other players.
Until Griffen is released or traded for a ham sandwich then I will believe Gruden dislikes Griffen. Until then I will continue to think Gruden is just trying to start the QB that gives him the best chance to win.

MTK · 12-04-2014, 11:50 AM

Well he did have a superstar rookie season, nobody was really complaining about the commercials back then and we were all eating it up. He definitely cut way back on that stuff since then to be fair.

MTK · 12-04-2014, 12:18 PM

If I never hear the term dumpster fire again I'll be happy, that and 40 burger... where the F did that come from anyway?

Rotten1980 · 12-04-2014, 12:28 PM

Gruden sees McCoy getting more confident | Comcast SportsNet Washington

I really like Colt. Humble and mature. Call me a homer but I'm already hoping he earns the starting spot for years to come. So hard to find a franchise QB and we're due for some good fortune after so many gdamn disappointments.

If Colt becomes the guy, we can focus on other team weaknesses in FA/draft and be competitive at least next year.

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12-03-2014, 11:22 AM	#6
KI Skins Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, Forida Posts: 6,412	Re: The everything Gruden thread It takes a gifted Head Coach to be able to adapt his system to the players he inherited and win with them versus rebuilding with players who better fit his system. There are only a small number of great Head Coaches who have been able to do that. Don Shula and Joe Gibbs are two of them. I know there are some others but, because I'm old and the memory is the second thing to go, I can't think of any more names right now. __________________ I'm a big Caitlin Clark fan!

12-03-2014, 05:10 PM	#7
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: The everything Gruden thread Not gonna lie, I was happy with the Gruden selection (maybe happy is a stretch but I liked him best of all that interviewed) but I've been very disappointed. In his first 12 games he's amassed a Pettibon like record and decided not one but TWO of the QB on the roster aren't fits for him and we're starting a 5th year retread. Even if McCoy goes 3-2 down the stretch, does anyone feel comfortable with him as a starter going into the offseason program? If you believe in sudden career resurrections in today's NFL, please see McCown, Josh. This team needs a complete reboot and I don't think that the combination of Snyder/Allen/Gruden can effectively do it. Although that's mainly an indictment of Allen the most but they are all buddies so this sh*tshow will remain in place for a couple of years. I've never been more apathetic about a Skins team. I watch on Sundays just because there are only 16 Sundays a year I can see my team but without a true care if they win or lose at this point. I can't guarantee that I'll be any more interested going forward until there are major philosophical changes up top and there's a football guy running the show without connection to the sidelines or owners box. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

12-03-2014, 10:05 PM	#8
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,439	Re: The everything Gruden thread Nothing wrong with being on tv if you're backing it up on the field. Not the case with Griffin. I'm sure "RG3" has worn thin on his teammates. Very telling that he wasn't voted captain by his teammates. Probably pretty rare for a starting QB not to have that status. To me that says a lot.

12-03-2014, 11:19 PM	#9
Rotten1980 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 261	Re: The everything Gruden thread If the franchise already decided to part ways with RG then I wish him all the best with his next team. And I hope McCoy is our great comeback story instead. Still dislike Grudens handling of the QB situation, not to mention the whole team this season. Gruden couldn't have done any worse up to this point, but I want to stay positive and think McCoy perfectly fits whatever Gruden is trying to do with the offense.

12-04-2014, 08:31 AM	#12
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: The everything Gruden thread Deciding to change starters at a certain position because your starter is not playing well, does not mean coach dislikes that player and is forever giving up on the former starter. You should still have to earn your position on the field, even the coddled Qb position where QB's are treated differently than the other players. Until Griffen is released or traded for a ham sandwich then I will believe Gruden dislikes Griffen. Until then I will continue to think Gruden is just trying to start the QB that gives him the best chance to win.

12-04-2014, 11:50 AM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: The everything Gruden thread Well he did have a superstar rookie season, nobody was really complaining about the commercials back then and we were all eating it up. He definitely cut way back on that stuff since then to be fair. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-04-2014, 12:18 PM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: The everything Gruden thread If I never hear the term dumpster fire again I'll be happy, that and 40 burger... where the F did that come from anyway? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-04-2014, 12:28 PM	#15
Rotten1980 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 261	Re: The everything Gruden thread Gruden sees McCoy getting more confident \| Comcast SportsNet Washington I really like Colt. Humble and mature. Call me a homer but I'm already hoping he earns the starting spot for years to come. So hard to find a franchise QB and we're due for some good fortune after so many gdamn disappointments. If Colt becomes the guy, we can focus on other team weaknesses in FA/draft and be competitive at least next year.

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