Plusses and Minuses vs. Lions

[Chico23231]

i know people love to give Thiesman grief...well deserved in some cases...but he was dead on with Robert's inability to manuvere in the pocket. He doesnt see pressure pre snap, he doesnt react well to pressure n the pocket, and he holds the ball. If you watch Kirk, Kirk knows how to slide and step in the pocket to avoid pressure and deliever the ball.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I shocked folks here are satisfied with RG3 play last night.

Regardless of the oline, tell me where he has improved. Where did RG3 show you growth?

Who is satisfied?

Personally I just don't think he can be properly evaluated when the OL was such a major problem.

Even on quick drops he was getting hit.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

OL was just brutal, don't know how anyone can fairly judge Griffin with the way he was under constant and often instant pressure.

This! He had absolutely no chance to be successful last night. The line play in pass protection was inexcusable when he was in. He was getting bushwacked back there.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Plus, 2-0, minus, lots and lots of work to do.

RG3 needs to stay healthy. Want to see him play 16 games and see where he's at at the end of the year.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Plus, 2-0, minus, lots and lots of work to do.



RG3 needs to stay healthy. Want to see him play 16 games and see where he's at at the end of the year.

Ha! No way he plays 16 games

[over the mountain]

The O line didnt help RG3 last night and he didnt help the O line.

Its just more of the same from him. A dysfunctional offense when he is in there.

Ive seen enough to know that what he has been, he will continue to be.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Might even make the case for 3 of them.

To me that pic says it all.Listening to ESPN 980 on the way to work,they were only putting 1 sack on the off line,the other 2 he had rec's open.
For all the people that want to believe its not VY2's fault,can you find me one football analyst,ex-qb,anybody that still thinks he's any good?
Those warm fuzzy memories from his first season are clouding a lot of peoples judgement who absolutely refuse to clean off their rose colored glasses.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

I am the biggest RG3 homer there is. And I saw him get the snot knocked out of him last night. But why is it, when RG is knocked out of the game like last night, the next quarterback, whether Colt or Kirk immediately moves the offense with essentially the same personnel on both sides?

I mean it's like a switch is flipped, and things pretty much work. Or am I just not seeing it right?

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

He appears to have low pocket awareness and doesn't make those small moves well to avoid the rush that others do. You rarely see him side stepping
someone at the last instant, he just stands there and get creamed like he didn't see them coming.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Plus, 2-0, minus, lots and lots of work to do.

RG3 needs to stay healthy. Want to see him play 16 games and see where he's at at the end of the year.

2-0 because of back ups. Good teams don't give a hoot about winning preseason games.

[Chief X_Phackter]

No DeSean Jackson
No Jamison Crowder
No Jordan Reed
No Niles Paul
No Logan Paulsen
No Trent Williams
No Ryan Kerrigan
No Jason Hatcher
No Junior Galette
No DeAngelo Hall
No Bashaud Breeland

Given the above, I'm not surprised with anything I have seen so far this preseason. I'm not too worried either (maybe a little worried about RGIII's health).

The O-line will get it together. I'm glad they are facing stiff competition early. Not glad they are getting bulldozed, but once the starting five have had a few weeks together I think they will be solid.

The "new" TE's will learn the offense and contribute - hopefully both blocking and receiving. Paul and Paulsen injuries are a real setback here and probably my biggest concern.

The defense will be better with our projected top two pass rushers and starting corners back in there.

I think we have a lot of quality depth which will translate into better special teams play this year.

To sum it up, if Robert can survive the preseason, and we can get all our projected starters back in there for game 1 against Miami, I think we'll be ok.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Might even make the case for 3 of them.

The coaches have to be fuming mad when they see this. You can fairly evaluate him on this play. Just throw the effing ball, get your 10 yards for the punter and fight another series. This is a poster child play for RG3. Sorry but there is no way KC or McCoy take a sack fumble here. No way.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

No DeSean Jackson
No Jamison Crowder
No Jordan Reed
No Niles Paul
No Logan Paulsen
No Trent Williams
No Ryan Kerrigan
No Jason Hatcher
No Junior Galette
No DeAngelo Hall
No Bashaud Breeland

Given the above, I'm not surprised with anything I have seen so far this preseason. I'm not too worried either (maybe a little worried about RGIII's health).

The O-line will get it together. I'm glad they are facing stiff competition early. Not glad they are getting bulldozed, but once the starting five have had a few weeks together I think they will be solid.

The "new" TE's will learn the offense and contribute - hopefully both blocking and receiving. Paul and Paulsen injuries are a real setback here and probably my biggest concern.

The defense will be better with our projected top two pass rushers and starting corners back in there.

I think we have a lot of quality depth which will translate into better special teams play this year.

To sum it up, if Robert can survive the preseason, and we can get all our projected starters back in there for game 1 against Miami, I think we'll be ok.

strong post...but the only name which has really affected RG3 is obviously Trent. Maybe TE to an extent, but they arent known for blocking

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Plus, 2-0, minus, lots and lots of work to do.

RG3 needs to stay healthy. Want to see him play 16 games and see where he's at at the end of the year.

I would say the 2-0 is a minus. Why? Because coaching isn't playing risky. They aren't coaching in a style that let's them evaluate the at risk positions. I was so infuriated at the end of the game yesterday because coaching was so unbelievably namby pamby. You get the ball with 2 minutes to go, in the 2nd preseason game. You have a FG kicker who has had a struggling camp. A qb who will start at some point in the season, very few players who an injury will hurt the team on the field, and a running game that has no questions. Do you:
A) put it on the qb's shoulders and say show some hustle, get out there and lead a 2 minute drive. TD is the goal.

B) mix it up, run and pass but tell the qb we want to take a shot at a long (45+) field goal

C) try to "stay on a roll" and win a 2nd straight preseason game with 7 straight hand offs.

[Chico23231]

Another minus...who pissed in my kool aid?