Plusses and Minuses vs. Lions

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

To me that pic says it all.Listening to ESPN 980 on the way to work,they were only putting 1 sack on the off line,the other 2 he had rec's open.
For all the people that want to believe its not VY2's fault,can you find me one football analyst,ex-qb,anybody that still thinks he's any good?
Those warm fuzzy memories from his first season are clouding a lot of peoples judgement who absolutely refuse to clean off their rose colored glasses.

Look at the chains on that picture. It was 3rd and 16. Throwing a 5 yard out wasn't going to help. He was looking down the field for more yards, personally I like that, still can't fumble though.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Look at the chains on that picture. It was 3rd and 16. Throwing a 5 yard out wasn't going to help. He was looking down the field for more yards, personally I like that, still can't fumble though.

This goes to him being ordinary, vs a superstar. The ordinary middle pack qb throws it to one of those 3 guys and lets them take a shot. The superstar runs. You want to be the superstar don't fumble the ball as you start to run untouched. You want to be ordinary throw to the guy you think has the best chance to make a play. You want to be better then KC, throw a deep pass to a guy past the chains where only he can make a play on it.

You want to be out of the NFL fumble the ball at the 9 yd line then lay on the ground for 5 minutes while your body aches. I'm not saying he wasn't injured or was faking, or that I even have a clue about how bad he was feeling and in what way, but I am saying you want to be the best then barring broken bones/ACL/MCL type injuries you get up, you shake off the play, get off the field and get checked.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This goes to him being ordinary, vs a superstar. The ordinary middle pack qb throws it to one of those 3 guys and lets them take a shot. The superstar runs. You want to be the superstar don't fumble the ball as you start to run untouched. You want to be ordinary throw to the guy you think has the best chance to make a play. You want to be better then KC, throw a deep pass to a guy past the chains where only he can make a play on it.

You want to be out of the NFL fumble the ball at the 9 yd line then lay on the ground for 5 minutes while your body aches. I'm not saying he wasn't injured or was faking, or that I even have a clue about how bad he was feeling and in what way, but I am saying you want to be the best then barring broken bones/ACL/MCL type injuries you get up, you shake off the play, get off the field and get checked.

Yeah, he wasn't going to get the 1st down running either. I like looking down the field first for a big play, then taking the shorter route, running wasn't necessarily a good option. But you need to have some time in protection to actually take a shot down field. Didn't get much of that last night.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Yeah, he wasn't going to get the 1st down running either. I like looking down the field first for a big play, then taking the shorter route, running wasn't necessarily a good option. But you need to have some time in protection to actually take a shot down field. Didn't get much of that last night.

assuming the play call is designed for a long pass play ... 5 step drop w pass pro knowing the ball will not come out right away.

if the play is not designed to give RG3 more than 3 seconds .. he cant be looking to make the big play.

He has to play within the system and what the other 10 guys on the field are expecting. Problem is he either doesnt understand the concepts or he just wants to play it his way.

on 3 step drops, we have consistently been told the QB is to plant his foot on step 3 and get rid of the ball quickly. I feel somewhat bad for RG3 last night bc he just hesitated a second after his 3rd step and then he would get hit.

on some plays his footwork was so bad you couldnt tell if he was doing a 3 step or a 1 step then shuffle.

RG3 cant look big play if the play call is a quick play. period.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

assuming the play call is designed for a long pass play ... 5 step drop w pass pro knowing the ball will not come out right away.

if the play is not designed to give RG3 more than 3 seconds .. he cant be looking to make the big play.

He has to play within the system and what the other 10 guys on the field are expecting. Problem is he either doesnt understand the concepts or he just wants to play it his way.

on 3 step drops, we have consistently been told the QB is to plant his foot on step 3 and get rid of the ball quickly. I feel somewhat bad for RG3 last night bc he just hesitated a second after his 3rd step and then he would get hit.

on some plays his footwork was so bad you couldnt tell if he was doing a 3 step or a 1 step then shuffle.

RG3 cant look big play if the play call is a quick play. period.

I'm gonna disagree a little (shocking to those who know me - NOT). Once protection broke down, and the picture posted earlier shows a good clean point in time view. He is looking to run, but he could also scramble to his right and see if a receiver shakes his guy, letting someone else make a play. I think back to the Giants game in RG3 year 1, one of his signature plays at extending a play.

I just think he can't or won't be that guy anymore, and he can't or won't be a film-study student of the game type guy, and that leaves him as an indecisive hesitant backup kinda guy. And sadly, even moreso after last night , that's who I now see RG3 as.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I'm gonna disagree a little (shocking to those who know me - NOT). Once protection broke down, and the picture posted earlier shows a good clean point in time view. He is looking to run, but he could also scramble to his right and see if a receiver shakes his guy, letting someone else make a play. I think back to the Giants game in RG3 year 1, one of his signature plays at extending a play.

But we don't/can't know whether Griffin was looking to run or scramble to make an off-schedule or scramble play. There wasn't any receiver open for the 1st down so Griffin stepped up into open space looking to escape the pocket from there we don't know what he was gonna do scramble or run because he fumbled the ball.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 30gut

But we don't/can't know whether Griffin was looking to run or scramble to make an off-schedule or scramble play. There wasn't any receiver open for the 1st down so Griffin stepped up into open space looking to escape the pocket from there we don't know what he was gonna do scramble or run because he fumbled the ball.

ok, let's defend/debate an unknown decision because he could not do the function of holding on to the ball, in the start of his 4th year, after having fumbling issues in previous years.

At the game, and I know tv gives better views, I thought he was taking off to run. I think everyone around me thought he was taking off to run. Could he have pulled up, and thrown a beautiful lob to the wideout, I guess. But we will never know, because our 4th year starting qb could not hold onto the as he moved away from (as the Post article someone else linked to described it) "imaginary pressure".

edit: i must have lost the football in the one sentence. Unintentionally I assure you.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Yeah, he wasn't going to get the 1st down running either. I like looking down the field first for a big play, then taking the shorter route, running wasn't necessarily a good option. But you need to have some time in protection to actually take a shot down field. Didn't get much of that last night.

Griffin was trying to make a play. Very few coaches (good coaches) will fault a playmaking QB for trying to make a play. Even Jay himself has said as much in the past. However you can't fumble period. I don't grade Griffin down for scrambling and trying to make a bigger play then the checkdown. If you think about the circumstances I knew he was going to try to make a play to extend the drive. But you gotta hold on to the ball.