Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[Hog1]

Think about what you heard SM state to the media before t-camp. Robert has to much raw talent and.........potential (not to mention investment) to kick him to the curb unless they know for sure he cannot get it done.
It is painful to watch, but this is part of the process. He has mostly not looked good but nobody could accurately judge him based on the crappy protection he is getting.....

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Think about what you heard SM state to the media before t-camp. Robert has to much raw talent and.........potential (not to mention investment) to kick him to the curb unless they know for sure he cannot get it done.
It is painful to watch, but this is part of the process. He has mostly not looked good but nobody could accurately judge him based on the crappy protection he is getting.....

A lot of times it seems he drops back to point X and stands there, he is less evasive in the pocket than Brady or Manning. An ability to side step, or step back or up when feeling the rush would buy him more time and he wouldn't take as many hits. Plenty of QBs make plays when the pocket breaks down.

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

A lot of times it seems he drops back to point X and stands there, he is less evasive in the pocket than Brady or Manning. An ability to side step, or step back or up when feeling the rush would buy him more time and he wouldn't take as many hits. Plenty of QBs make plays when the pocket breaks down.

Exactly! Perfectly said!

Even KC and Colt are more mobile than RG3 in that respect. When Colt and KC were in the game on Thursday, both dodged the rush better then RG3 did.

As you mentioned, at times, RG3 drops back, and then stands there like a statue as he 'goes through he progressions'.
At least Colt and KC move around in the pocket.


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[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

A lot of times it seems he drops back to point X and stands there, he is less evasive in the pocket than Brady or Manning. An ability to side step, or step back or up when feeling the rush would buy him more time and he wouldn't take as many hits. Plenty of QBs make plays when the pocket breaks down.

I naturally see that to. He needs to...............slide.........somewhere to NOT take those hits!!!
DAMN!!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Think about what you heard SM state to the media before t-camp. Robert has to much raw talent and.........potential (not to mention investment) to kick him to the curb unless they know for sure he cannot get it done.
It is painful to watch, but this is part of the process. He has mostly not looked good but nobody could accurately judge him based on the crappy protection he is getting.....

Under the circumstances, I appoint you mediator...Ad-Hoc
Hate to quote myself as I am far to modest......
but, not you....not me have any idea what really goes on at Redskin Park. Who makes the decisions...etc. F... yah he's controlling!! He's a self made Billionaire...with a B.
The parking thing posted is a joke. He's trying to maximize his interests, just as the church in the article is. Oh yah, here's the whole thing as the other taken out of context is BS as well.

You'll pay a parking fee at FedExField - even when you don't come in a car. - Washington City Paper

YOU and I both know or strongly suspect Colt and KC aren't the real deal either. Way to much fumble int....shit
SM is trying to TOTALLY evaluate Robert so he does not pull a Antonio Pierce on us. I have no problem with this
All conspiracies are not about D. Snyder. Some involve the Russians, Iranians and maybe Caitlin Jenner.
He's just an egotistical billionaire like so many others.........
The evil...conspiratorial DS nonsense gets real.....old

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Under the circumstances, I appoint you mediator...Ad-Hoc
Hate to quote myself as I am far to modest......
but, not you....not me have any idea what really goes on at Redskin Park. Who makes the decisions...etc. F... yah he's controlling!! He's a self made Billionaire...with a B.
The parking thing posted is a joke. He's trying to maximize his interests, just as the church in the article is. Oh yah, here's the whole thing as the other taken out of context is BS as well.

You'll pay a parking fee at FedExField - even when you don't come in a car. - Washington City Paper

YOU and I both know or strongly suspect Colt and KC aren't the real deal either. Way to much fumble int....shit
SM is trying to TOTALLY evaluate Robert so he does not pull a Antonio Pierce on us. I have no problem with this
All conspiracies are not about D. Snyder. Some involve the Russians, Iranians and maybe Caitlin Jenner.
He's just an egotistical billionaire like so many others.........
The evil...conspiratorial DS nonsense gets real.....old

Again, how can you say that about KC after 9 starts? Meanwhile you're saying Griffin needs more time after 36?? This makes 0 sense to me.

At this point we are way past the draft pick investment talk. That is sunken cost. Griffin gets 3-4 weeks to start the season.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Again, how can you say that about KC after 9 starts? Meanwhile you're saying Griffin needs more time after 36?? This makes 0 sense to me.

At this point we are way past the draft pick investment talk. That is sunken cost. Griffin gets 3-4 weeks to start the season.

Yeah no shit! That makes 0 sense to me also.Also I cant believe anyone doesnt believe Dan is 100 percent behind naming VY2 the starter,I mean who the fck else would it be? We know Gruden doesnt want him,I dont see why it would be Scott,does Bruce have that much power?

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Yeah no shit! That makes 0 sense to me also.Also I cant believe anyone doesnt believe Dan is 100 percent behind naming VY2 the starter,I mean who the fck else would it be? We know Gruden doesnt want him,I dont see why it would be Scott,does Bruce have that much power?

Exactly!

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[Hog1]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Yeah no shit! That makes 0 sense to me also.Also I cant believe anyone doesnt believe Dan is 100 percent behind naming VY2 the starter,I mean who the fck else would it be? We know Gruden doesnt want him,I dont see why it would be Scott,does Bruce have that much power?

WTF's wrong with you? Scott in his press conferences....stated...in plain language. "Robert has To much potential....To much upside (not to mention TO much invested) to NOT BE absolutely sure he cannot do it before we kick him to the curb" paraphrasing a bit
AND....KC or Colt may prove to be the man (God how I wish they would). But that Sure As Hell has not been the case to date....
You watched last year right?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

WTF's wrong with you? Scott in his press conferences....stated...in plain language. "Robert has To much potential....To much upside (not to mention TO much invested) to NOT BE absolutely sure he cannot do it before we kick him to the curb" paraphrasing a bit
AND....KC or Colt may prove to be the man (God how I wish they would). But that Sure As Hell has not been the case to date....
You watched last year right?

Yeah,did you? Have you seen this preseason?


McCoy, Cousins continue to out-play RG3

Posted by Michael David Smith on August 21, 2015, 3:43 PM EDT
Kirk Cousins, Rashad Ross
AP
If Washington’s quarterback depth chart were determined by on-field performance, Robert Griffin III would be firmly entrenched at third string.

Although coach Jay Gruden insisted after Thursday’s preseason game against the Lions that Griffin will remain the starter, that game showed once again what we’ve seen throughout Gruden’s tenure as Washington’s coach: Colt McCoy and Kirk Cousins are simply playing better football than Griffin.

So far this preseason, McCoy has a 131.6 passer rating and has led Washington’s offense on three touchdown drives. Cousins has a 118.3 passer rating and has also led Washington’s offense on three touchdown drives. Griffin has a 54.6 passer rating, and Washington has yet to score a touchdown with Griffin on the field.

You can argue that the preseason is too small a sample size to draw any conclusions, and that Griffin is playing against better defensive players than Cousins and McCoy are. But Griffin’s sub-par performance goes beyond just this year’s preseason. Last year Griffin started seven games, Cousins started five and McCoy started four. Washington wasn’t a particularly good team no matter who was starting, but according to ESPN’s QBR system, which combines both statistics and film study into one number on a 0-100 scale, Griffin was easily the worst of the three. McCoy had a 46.9 QBR, Cousins had a 46.5 QBR and Griffin had a 33.5 QBR. The Football Outsiders DVOA system, which uses play-by-play data to assess quarterbacks, similarly had Griffin as by far the worst of Washington’s three quarterbacks.

Given all that, it’s surprising that Gruden is so adamant that Griffin will continue to start. Perhaps Gruden is still intrigued by the great promise Griffin showed in his rookie season. Perhaps Dan Snyder has told Gruden to give Griffin a chance. Perhaps Gruden just doesn’t think McCoy and Cousins are legitimate NFL starters.

But at some point, on-field results have to matter. And Griffin simply isn’t getting results.

[30gut]

Griffin may very well be done as the starting QB here sooner rather then later. And personally I think its a certainty at some point.

BUTits not going (knowing this staff 'should not' is probably more accurate) to stem from his play in the Lions game. Using the Lions game as referendum on Griffin is the popular groupthink overreaction. But to me it appears to be based more on perception/emotion more then actual football. The general rush from some fans/media to point to this "game" as proof of their negative belief is imo clearly out of balance.

I mean seriously, a referendum after 5 pass attempts? Never mind the game situations (Kurt Warner diagnoses why Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III is struggling - NFL Videos) but 5 passes and Griffin is done? C'mon, lets be serious.

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Again, how can you say that about KC after 9 starts? Meanwhile you're saying Griffin needs more time after 36?? This makes 0 sense to me.

At this point we are way past the draft pick investment talk. That is sunken cost. Griffin gets 3-4 weeks to start the season.

Agree!

At this point, all I want is for the Redskins to look competent and win.

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[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Again, how can you say that about KC after 9 starts? Meanwhile you're saying Griffin needs more time after 36?? This makes 0 sense to me.

At this point we are way past the draft pick investment talk. That is sunken cost. Griffin gets 3-4 weeks to start the season.

Thats something that drives me bollocks too! Some fans are more committed to the name on the back of the jersey instead of the front, sometimes.