Plusses and Minuses vs. Lions

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Defenses hedge against Griffin regardless of the formation with pressure.

I didn't understand what you meant by 'hedging'. I was talking about defenses playing the run when we show certain formations/personnel grouping.

But now I see you meant defenses bringing pressure.

They are committing guys to pressure the QB (admittedly some pressure comes without blitzing):

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2014 Pressure Plays: Quarterbacks

You mention a key point here: some pressure does come without blitzing. I used to have PFF which goes in depth in various metrics. But they actual chart how often a QB is pressured and how often they're blitzed. They record them as 2 separate stats because they are. I can remember the exact number off hand but Griffin does face more pressure then Kirk because Griffin holds the ball longer, which is different from Griffin facing more pressure because teams blitz him. And pre-Gruden Griffin was actually good vs the blitz. Neither here nor there but Griffin has regressed in almost every facet under Jay.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Griffin has regressed in almost every facet under Jay.

Good point. This troubles me as a Skins fan.

At first, I looked at this as Gruden insisting that Griffin work to improve his pocket skills in order to maximize his abilities as an NFL QB. That would be a good thing.

But now, I just wonder if there is a disconnect between the two men. It just looks like Jay hasn't tailored the offense at all to fit Robert's athletic abilities. Do the Skins plan to surprise their opponents in the regular season with plays designed for RGIII, or is this it? If this is it, I don't think things are going to work out in D.C. for one or both of these men.

[Hog1]

You might remember Robert had similar results much of the time under Shanahan as well....

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

But they actual chart how often a QB is pressured and how often they're blitzed. They record them as 2 separate stats because they are. I can remember the exact number off hand but Griffin does face more pressure then Kirk because Griffin holds the ball longer, which is different from Griffin facing more pressure because teams blitz him.

Good point.

The article linked to earlier doesn't distinguish between extra rushers, protection breakdowns and holding the ball too long.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Good point. This troubles me as a Skins fan.

At first, I looked at this as Gruden insisting that Griffin work to improve his pocket skills in order to maximize his abilities as an NFL QB. That would be a good thing.

But now, I just wonder if there is a disconnect between the two men. It just looks like Jay hasn't tailored the offense at all to fit Robert's athletic abilities. Do the Skins plan to surprise their opponents in the regular season with plays designed for RGIII, or is this it? If this is it, I don't think things are going to work out in D.C. for one or both of these men.

Griffin has said too that he wants to be more of a drop-back passer, and not be a "running QB" He likes the threat of the RO and to use it in moderation. So it's not so much that he's taking some sort of stand against Jay's offense. It's that he can't execute it the way Kirk and Colt can, and then he's goes "off-book" to what he knows best.

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

That is a good point. Maybe the o-line is playing poorly but Griffin exacerbates its more so, tking a unit that plays at a 4 dragging them down to a 1?