Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I wanted him so bad. Remember praying that the Colts did not call his name!

Last week I remember thinking how badly I wish we had Luck now.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Last week I remember thinking how badly I wish we had Luck now.

We were so close to having him and Rodgers.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I TOLD YOU ALL SO!


Yeah. I went there. Let me have this.

Yeah right. Pull up the draft poll and see who didn't like the trade day one. Myself, SFredskin and that's probably it. Never liked the trade and nearly got ran off the board by you guys. Lol.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

But pocket presence was not a big issue when he was running all over the place making people look silly....In response to your point about Griff having had the pocket presence in 2012. I dont believe he did. I believe though that it was masked by the playcalling.

You're contradicting yourself in your own post. First you say pp (pocket presence) was not a big issue then you turn around and say that you don't believe he had it in 2012. How can playcalling mask pp? Honest question. If its something you either have or you don't how can it be effected by external factors like playcalling?

But that[2012 offense] was like putting a band aid on a severe flesh wound.

This analogy shows you have very little understanding of how good the 2012 season was. If that offense is a band-aid its a band-aid that every single team in the NFL wish they could be doing.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.

Is that what you really think Griffin is? You know QBs the way you describe Griffin above are a dime a dozen.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Good point on that being from 2013 but doesn't change the fact that he's still not that good,looks like he's regressed from 2013.

Oh, I agree but that wasn't the point I was responding to with that video.
I was responding to the narrative become fact that Griffin refused to run read-option in 2013.
Which as per the video obviously isn't true.

I don't think its revisionist history on Mike S.In that training camp and all off season the talk was on Griff becoming more of a pocket passer,yes he still ran the read option that yr but not near as much.I dont think anyones ever said they didnt run it anymore,if they did they dont know what theyre talking about.

There is rhetoric and there is proof. Every QB wants to become more of a pocket passer but its a far cry to say that Griffin refused/refuses to run read-option when in fact he did actually run read-option.

And plenty of people have said and continue to say that Griffin refuses to and doesn't want to run read-option.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You're contradicting yourself in your own post. First you say pp (pocket presence) was not a big issue then you turn around and say that you don't believe he had it in 2012. How can playcalling mask pp? Honest question. If its something you either have or you don't how can it be effected by external factors like playcalling?



This analogy shows you have very little understanding of how good the 2012 season was. If that offense is a band-aid its a band-aid that every single team in the NFL wish they could be doing.

In 2012 he did not have to stand in the pocket. Not sure where the confusion lies? Pocket passer vs read option?
Im not contradicting myself. I dont believe he had pocket presence (you said he had it before). I simply said his inability to play from the pocket was not an issue because he didnt really play from the pocket than. His inability to play from the pocket was masked by the play calling.
The Shanahans were catering to his strengths. One of those strengths was not pocket presence.
Edit: as for my band aid comment, i meant that in a long term way. As in the band aid being the read option and the flesh wound being Griffs inability to be a pocket passer. Of course the 2012 season was a great offense, but we all have seen what happened when the band aid came off. Griff got hurt and almost killed several times playing in that offense. We knew it wouldnt last, and here we are.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Oh, I agree but that wasn't the point I was responding to with that video.
I was responding to the narrative become fact that Griffin refused to run read-option in 2013.
Which as per the video obviously isn't true.


There is rhetoric and there is proof. Every QB wants to become more of a pocket passer but its a far cry to say that Griffin refused/refuses to run read-option when in fact he did actually run read-option.

And plenty of people have said and continue to say that Griffin refuses to and doesn't want to run read-option.

I dont know if people have said he refuses to,but its no secret that he doesnt want to.Him and his dad made that clear going into the 2013 season,hence thats what Shanny was eluding to in his interview.
As far as pocket presence goes,I've been complaining about it since 2013,its obvious he doesnt have it.It was on numerous scouting reports coming out of college{which I have posted before}
The pistol def helped mask that in 2012 and it wasnt an issue.Once the pistol started to be phased out and the knee injury took away his athleticism and confidence it became very apparent his pocket presence was for shit

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I dont know if people have said he refuses to,but its no secret that he doesnt want to.Him and his dad made that clear going into the 2013 season,hence thats what Shanny was eluding to in his interview.

As far as pocket presence goes,I've been complaining about it since 2013,its obvious he doesnt have it.It was on numerous scouting reports coming out of college{which I have posted before}

The pistol def helped mask that in 2012 and it wasnt an issue.Once the pistol started to be phased out and the knee injury took away his athleticism and confidence it became very apparent his pocket presence was for shit

Exactly. The Shanahans masked his short comings hence it was not a dang issue in 2012.

[kingj]

Re: griffin refusal to run R/O...I'm to the point where I don't really care to know who is telling the truth Griffin or Shanahan.

Tbh, if Griffin refuses to run R/O, he will not last in this league. His only option is to embrace it or he will have a very short career and known just for that historic rookie year before he blew out his knee.

Griffin's only hope is to play in a R/O system. I could really see where skins release him and someone like Chip Kelly picks him up. Griffin has no choice but to play that system. He has never been a pocket passer and never will be.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You're contradicting yourself in your own post. First you say pp (pocket presence) was not a big issue then you turn around and say that you don't believe he had it in 2012. How can playcalling mask pp? Honest question. If its something you either have or you don't how can it be effected by external factors like playcalling?

This analogy shows you have very little understanding of how good the 2012 season was. If that offense is a band-aid its a band-aid that every single team in the NFL wish they could be doing.

Griffin is not the type of qb that can run for 850 yards and stay upright. He isn't built like Wilson and Newton. The offense had to change. 2012 was a nice season. Griffin executed a special offense designed for him. But people need to let it go and move on. That guy and that offense isn't coming back.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Griffin is not the type of qb that can run for 850 yards and stay upright. He isn't built like Wilson and Newton. The offense had to change. 2012 was a nice season. Griffin executed a special offense designed for him. But people need to let it go and move on. That guy and that offense isn't coming back.

Wilson probably isn't built for it either, he's 3 inches shorter and 22 lbs. lighter than RG3. He just does a better job at taking care of himself and has a better team around him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Wilson probably isn't built for it either, he's 3 inches shorter and 22 lbs. lighter than RG3. He just does a better job at taking care of himself and has a better team around him.

And yet he's never been injured in college or the NFL. He's proven his durability. He's built more like a rb where Griffin looks like a wr.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And yet he's never been injured in college or the NFL. He's proven his durability. He's built more like a rb where Griffin looks like a wr.

I agree, he has a lower center of gravity and does not look nearly as vulnerable as Griff does when he is running. Nor as confused. He has a plan when he takes off n sees the field better.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

In 2012 he did not have to stand in the pocket. Not sure where the confusion lies? Pocket passer vs read option?

Im not contradicting myself. I dont believe he had pocket presence (you said he had it before). I simply said his inability to play from the pocket was not an issue because he didnt really play from the pocket than. His inability to play from the pocket was masked by the play calling.

Of course he had to stand in the pocket. We didn't bootleg every play.

I don't mean in terms of rhetoric. Functionally how can playcalling mask lack of pocket presence? I am asking because the article put out the idea that pocket presence can't be improved. So how did this playcalling magically mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence enough to create to become one of the top offenses in the NFL? What did that playcalling do to mask it?

I would like to know where you're coming from.