Around the Nfl week 5

JoeRedskin · 10-13-2015, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Kirk managing a clock-eating 90-yard 4th qtr drive to beat Philly and a long drive with less than 45 seconds left to send the Atlanta game into OT in back-to-back weeks isn't good enough for you? He is a developing QB and you seem to expect him to play like John Elway on a weekly basis. That's not realistic or fair, IMO.

Jay Gruden says Kirk is getting better and I'll take his word for it. In due time, we'll find out if he's a keeper but I think it's still too soon to judge.

So let me rephrase ... "Kirk is not a good QB now." Yes, the drives were impressive. Yay Kirk! But, for example, the 4th Q drive in Atlanta wen for naught on a ball that should never have left his hand. Will he improve? I hope so. However, if this is as good as it gets, he tops out as the second coming of Rex Grossman.

I am not expecting him to play like Elway "on a weekly basis." I just want better, consistent play and a showing that his flaws are improving. He still has problems with ball placement - his accuracy not good and, at times, really bad. He still makes bad decisions ... at times really bad. Recognizing these flaws and seeing the need for improvement is perfectly "realistic and fair."

I am neither a KC hater or fan. I just want the Skins to win. Objectively speaking, to do that consistently, I firmly believe we need better play from the QB position. Right now, Kirk is doing enough to win some and lose some. If he improves, great. However, my concern is that the mistakes he is making are the same mistakes he has always made.

Not saying we should ditch him tomorrow, just saying he needs to improve. A lot.

CRedskinsRule · 10-13-2015, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I stopped watching at the half and thought "Wow ... Vick really sucks."

What did he do in the fourth that turned it around?

He had 2 drives that were full of highlight reel plays. Had a long td (maybe 40 yards in the air followed by a good run), and then on the winning drive he converted 3 3rd downs (I think a 6yd pass, a 10 yard pass and a 25 yard through the center of the defense scramble. Then had a pass to the 1/2 yd line with 5 seconds to go, and had a timeout left because after his 25 yd scramble he had the presence of mind to get a quick formation and spike rather than burn a timeout. I'm not a fan of his, but you watch those drives, after the offense had 10 yards in the 2nd half to put together those two scoring drives, 1 bomb, 1 long drive with time running out, was damn impressive.

skinsfaninok · 10-13-2015, 11:13 AM

Vick has always had the talent and he was a good starting QB his problem has been his arm isn't accurate enough to ever have. Been a franchise passer.

punch it in · 10-13-2015, 10:23 PM

I personally see improvement as far as the bad decisions. Remember the atrocious five int game against the giants last year? I think it was 5 againts them? Anyway although he still might relapse here and there , I can honestly say that this Kirk is imo vastly improved. I think he is sorely lacking a deep threat, a center to protect him, and most importantly he is fighting those demons from his humble beginnings. If Alot of other qb's had thrown a pass and their wr fell down that Would be that. Nobody would second guess the pass. He knows that he was a int machine for a spell but my God he was in the midst of the RG-3 saga in a city starving for a qb like no other. Gruden is giving the guy his full support and I think we are seeing the maturation process here. Maybe he falls flat on his face for the next several weeks and lets it all cave in around him but I for one would bet he doesnt. I think moments like the final two drives of regulation the last two weeks are going to help his confidence. The guy is getting thick skin, let it happen and pray. Lol.

That Guy · 10-14-2015, 10:26 PM

those two ints weren't completely terrible like the last game he chucked a couple in. one was a fluke off his receivers hands and the other was a rushed throw (because he called the wrong protection) to a WR that fell down. maybe it'd be a pick anyways, maybe just incomplete, i dunno.

still it was an off game for him accuracy wise.

10-13-2015, 11:13 AM	#3
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,178	Re: Around the Nfl week 5 Vick has always had the talent and he was a good starting QB his problem has been his arm isn't accurate enough to ever have. Been a franchise passer. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

10-13-2015, 10:23 PM	#4
punch it in From a Land Down Under Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 54 Posts: 24,098	Re: Around the Nfl week 5 I personally see improvement as far as the bad decisions. Remember the atrocious five int game against the giants last year? I think it was 5 againts them? Anyway although he still might relapse here and there , I can honestly say that this Kirk is imo vastly improved. I think he is sorely lacking a deep threat, a center to protect him, and most importantly he is fighting those demons from his humble beginnings. If Alot of other qb's had thrown a pass and their wr fell down that Would be that. Nobody would second guess the pass. He knows that he was a int machine for a spell but my God he was in the midst of the RG-3 saga in a city starving for a qb like no other. Gruden is giving the guy his full support and I think we are seeing the maturation process here. Maybe he falls flat on his face for the next several weeks and lets it all cave in around him but I for one would bet he doesnt. I think moments like the final two drives of regulation the last two weeks are going to help his confidence. The guy is getting thick skin, let it happen and pray. Lol.

10-14-2015, 10:26 PM	#5
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Around the Nfl week 5 those two ints weren't completely terrible like the last game he chucked a couple in. one was a fluke off his receivers hands and the other was a rushed throw (because he called the wrong protection) to a WR that fell down. maybe it'd be a pick anyways, maybe just incomplete, i dunno. still it was an off game for him accuracy wise.

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