Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)

[Bangee7]

I'm not sold on Long as LG or Licht as C anymore. Raji pushed him into last week & LeRib was thrown around all year. We have to be stout, especially in the middle.

And our short yardage backs are HORRIBLE.
What ever happened to diving over the pile?

We end up walking into the line standing up & getting stuffed, followed by a 2 yard loss.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Giantone

??? I thought the guy handled everything very well with alot of class.

Many Redskins fans have long since turned on Griffin.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Well now that it's over let's look at the future.....[Kirk] He deserves it after this season, he carried the offense the whole yr. Run game was weak all yr for the most part.

Keep building the oline and defense and we are fine.

I think the WRs corps needs to be overhauled.

Jay's offense is decidedly pass first. Jay's offense, by design, trades runs for short passes. While that's good for passing yardage numbers it imo degrades run game production. As logical by product of pass centered offense is more time and emphasis gets devoted in practice and gameplan to the pass then the run. So, Kirk carrying the offense is imo a major part of the reason the run game was weak.

Anyhow...looking ahead I think the number 1 need for this team is a #1 WR.
A true #1 WR in today' hands free secondary can change an offense. Imo one of the flaws in our passing offense is that Garcon doesn't consistently win nor separate when the play design doesn't do it for him. (Kyle was great at that btw). If the play calls for X to 'win' and gain separation on their on against press or man-under defense Pierre doesn't win often enough. DeSean on the other hand almost always 'wins' 1 on 1s press/man-under, or whatever. But DeSean doesn't run the whole route tree. In breaking routes, between the hashes/numbers isn't DeSean strength.

A WCO with a #1 WR that consistently 'wins' changes everything.

I would also try to create as physically a dominating OL as possible. I believe Jay will stick with run game more if the OL can maul dudes.

Going forward my draft/offseason priorities are:
WRs, CB, 34 DE, Pass Rusher, OG/C, Blocking/Well rounded TE, NT, QB

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

So, Kirk carrying the offense is imo a major part of the reason the run game was weak.

Interesting take.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I'm not sold on Long as LG or Licht as C anymore. Raji pushed him into last week & LeRib was thrown around all year. We have to be stout, especially in the middle.

And our short yardage backs are HORRIBLE.
What ever happened to diving over the pile?

We end up walking into the line standing up & getting stuffed, followed by a 2 yard loss.

Remember Shawn Lauvao is still under contract and in his prime. He showed in camp, preaseason, and the first couple games of the season he was our best run blocking lineman. He should retain the left guard position

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Giantone

??? I thought the guy handled everything very well with alot of class.

He did. But he can't win with some fans no matter what he does. He deserves a fresh start somewhere else.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Interesting take.

The same thing happened in Cinci. Dalton put up nice numbers at the expense of the run game. Its actually less about Kirk and more about Jay's offense. But, for me when one praises the QB in Jay Gruden's pass centric offense its that same pass centric focus that imo limits the run game in the first place.

Just look at the numbers from the last game. At a glance Kirk posted better numbers then Rodgers. But I would trade a bunch of those passes into Alf runs and maybe that would have been more productive/efficient?

Anyhow...if we're gonna be a passing team, Kirk would be all that much better if he had a Dez or an Odell or even a Randall Cobb.

What areas do you want addressed going forward?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think the WRs corps needs to be overhauled.

Jay's offense is decidedly pass first. Jay's offense, by design, trades runs for short passes. While that's good for passing yardage numbers it imo degrades run game production. As logical by product of pass centered offense is more time and emphasis gets devoted in practice and gameplan to the pass then the run. So, Kirk carrying the offense is imo a major part of the reason the run game was weak.

Anyhow...looking ahead I think the number 1 need for this team is a #1 WR.
A true #1 WR in today' hands free secondary can change an offense. Imo one of the flaws in our passing offense is that Garcon doesn't consistently win nor separate when the play design doesn't do it for him. (Kyle was great at that btw). If the play calls for X to 'win' and gain separation on their on against press or man-under defense Pierre doesn't win often enough. DeSean on the other hand almost always 'wins' 1 on 1s press/man-under, or whatever. But DeSean doesn't run the whole route tree. In breaking routes, between the hashes/numbers isn't DeSean strength.

A WCO with a #1 WR that consistently 'wins' changes everything.

I would also try to create as physically a dominating OL as possible. I believe Jay will stick with run game more if the OL can maul dudes.

Going forward my draft/offseason priorities are:
WRs, CB, 34 DE, Pass Rusher, OG/C, Blocking/Well rounded TE, NT, QB

Well u need to put RB on the list and fairly high.
Initial list

1. strong safety
2. Mauler/large Center
3. ILB (along side Compton)
4. RB
5. CB
6. Run Blocking TE
7 WR

There will be decisions to make with Pot Roast/Hatcher along the DL...it would be no surprise if we go d line first in draft. They are some ballers on the dline in this draft.

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Remember Shawn Lauvao is still under contract and in his prime. He showed in camp, preaseason, and the first couple games of the season he was our best run blocking lineman. He should retain the left guard position

yep, good point...I forgot about him.

hopefully he comes back as strong as ever.

[MTK]

Lauvao has also undergone 5 surgeries in 3 months...

Redskins' Shawn Lauvao recovering from five surgeries in three months - Washington Times

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Lauvao has also undergone 5 surgeries in 3 months...

Redskins' Shawn Lauvao recovering from five surgeries in three months - Washington Times

Damn. He got five on it. long and that rookie guard from Alabama still have promise.

[Meks]

Upgrade the o line and our backfield will be fine. Really would love to be more effective running and running often. ... upgrade the trenches and work your way out...m secondary after that for me.... by now we are at like round 4 so dunno where we would go from there

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by MTK

Lauvao has also undergone 5 surgeries in 3 months...

Redskins' Shawn Lauvao recovering from five surgeries in three months - Washington Times

Holy crap......

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Giantone

??? I thought the guy handled everything very well with alot of class.

Man I like him and all but my god just let it go.. Not saying I don't wish him well because I do but did he really have to leave some long ass message in his locker? Idk just not my kind of thing I guess

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

The same thing happened in Cinci. Dalton put up nice numbers at the expense of the run game. Its actually less about Kirk and more about Jay's offense. But, for me when one praises the QB in Jay Gruden's pass centric offense its that same pass centric focus that imo limits the run game in the first place.

Just look at the numbers from the last game. At a glance Kirk posted better numbers then Rodgers. But I would trade a bunch of those passes into Alf runs and maybe that would have been more productive/efficient?

Anyhow...if we're gonna be a passing team, Kirk would be all that much better if he had a Dez or an Odell or even a Randall Cobb.

What areas do you want addressed going forward?

I actually agree with you and Chico. Although I would put pass rusher at the top. Putting pressure on the QB changes the entire dynamic of the defense and can mask deficiencies at other positions.

Would love to have a true 6'4" #1 WR and a true #1 CB. I think pass rush, WR and CB should be something a team should be willing to pay for while developing talent.

Not sure where we stand on safety either. Hall was playing well and Ihenacho was playing well but is injury prone. I would guess an upgrade is coming.

I think we are going to be serviceable at TE with Niles Paul coming back. Niles Paul is an absolute junk yard dog on special teams and I'm sure he will bring the same attitude to blocking in the run game. He can't block a DE but he will give it hell and has great hands.

Also, not sure what Mclovin thinks about Spaight. I'm really interested to see how things develop this off season.