Domestic terrorism

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

There very likely could be a combination of two things going on here, but I don't see how guns aren't PART of this equation. Not sure who reads Reddit, but it is absolutely overrun with morons saying guns weren't part of the problem. I just don't understand how we can't limit the sales of these types of guns. People instantly hear ban and they assu me it's everything. Will criminals still get guns if they want them? Absolutely. If a ban on assault rifles, extended magazines, etc. saves even ONE life, wouldn't it be worth it?

I don't imagine he would go through the channels to somehow get a black market assault rifle if it was illegal. The death toll could have been cut in half.

Assault weapons are essentially the same as any other semi-automatic weapon (handgun or rifle). Some are just scarier looking than others. The previous assault weapon ban had little or no effect on crime (depending on which lies you subscribe to). Another will likely have the same effect. As you stated, the people that you want to be deprived of guns.....won't be.
What is it you really expect to achieve?
We have a people problem and until we attack it from that angle, we'll see nothing progressive and we'll haven plenty more of the same. The gun is just a tool easily replaceable with bombs....anthrax.....nukes.....jetliners...fertili zer, etc.
Who knows? You cannot ban everything....or can you?
These people and groups have proven to highly inventive when confronted with such choices.
Hell, we can't get our borders under control. Until AT LEAST that happens, we cannot hope to stem the importation of bad guys and things we do not want them to have.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Assault weapons are essentially the same as any other semi-automatic weapon (handgun or rifle). Some are just scarier looking than others. The previous assault weapon ban had little or no effect on crime (depending on which lies you subscribe to). Another will likely have the same effect. As you stated, the people that you want to be deprived of guns.....won't be.
What is it you really expect to achieve?
We have a people problem and until we attack it from that angle, we'll see nothing progressive and we'll haven plenty more of the same. The gun is just a tool easily replaceable with bombs....anthrax.....nukes.....jetliners...fertili zer, etc.
Who knows? You cannot ban everything....or can you?
These people and groups have proven to highly inventive when confronted with such choices.
Hell, we can't get our borders under control. Until AT LEAST that happens, we cannot hope to stem the importation of bad guys and things we do not want them to have.

This is enough for me. Even a little is worth it. It always comes down to, "Well, it probably won't work so let's just not try it." I mean, why not? That's my question, why NOT try?

And trust me, I don't think guns are the sole problem nor do I think all guns should be banned. Obviously, this is pure speculation, but say we had an assault gun ban in effect, do you think the death toll would have been as high? I really don't think it would have been. I think your serious terrorist would do whatever they could to acquire bomb building materials, assault rifles, etc.

Again, if it lowered these types of crimes by .0000001% that's worth it because really, what is the cost?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

This is enough for me. Even a little is worth it. It always comes down to, "Well, it probably won't work so let's just not try it." I mean, why not? That's my question, why NOT try?

And trust me, I don't think guns are the sole problem nor do I think all guns should be banned. Obviously, this is pure speculation, but say we had an assault gun ban in effect, do you think the death toll would have been as high? I really don't think it would have been. I think your serious terrorist would do whatever they could to acquire bomb building materials, assault rifles, etc.

Again, if it lowered these types of crimes by .0000001% that's worth it because really, what is the cost?

I think we need to separate a couple things...these assault weapons tend to be used in these activity shooter, mass killing.

"normal" gun violence tends to be hand guns and long guns.

The mass killings are headline makers...normal gun violence isn't talked about much.

We talk about mass killings a lot...we don't talk about everyday gun violence which affect more folks across the country. Chicago, Baltimore...? Are we good with this? Would assault weapons bans stop this violence? probably very little.

The mass killings are usually mentally unstable, mental illness...some terrorists. I think these people would still want to kill regardless of a ban of assault weapons. Is it the act or gun?

These are tough questions for sure