Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Stats mean a lot. And the more stats you have on a player, the more they mean. They help in making a more objective appraisal of a players performance. They also provide a broader perspective on a player when his stats are compared to those of his peers.

Here are some of Cousin's stats and rankings so far this season:

Total Yards: 1,172 (6th)
Completion Pct: 66.2 (13th)
Yards per Game: 293.0 (6th)
Touchdowns: 6 (11th)
Interceptions Thrown: 4 (12th)
QB Rating: 91.8 (13th)

So, let's just say that Kirk is the 13th rated QB based on the above numbers. I just can't come up with a another solution that is likely to produce a better QB than keeping Kirk Cousins would. He could be a Top 10 QB by season's end and that is very hard to find. Nevertheless, I agree with you that there is no reason to lock him up now.

So for the sake of argument,what if all 4 of his interceptions came in the red zone,50 % of his passing yardage came in garbage time along with 4 of his tds,would you still say your stats matter? Thats why stats dont matter,or to rephrase they dont always tell the right story.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

So for the sake of argument,what if all 4 of his interceptions came in the red zone,50 % of his passing yardage came in garbage time along with 4 of his tds,would you still say your stats matter? Thats why stats dont matter,or to rephrase they dont always tell the right story.

Did you just completely make up stats to prove that stats dont matter?

I understand stats aren't everything and all that jazz, but if you look at the stat leaders in any category during any year the leaders are all going to usually be your studs. So to say they dont matter is not true. They dont always tell the whole story, but they tell most of it...


I'm living in yesterday's tomorrows

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

So for the sake of argument,what if all 4 of his interceptions came in the red zone,50 % of his passing yardage came in garbage time along with 4 of his tds,would you still say your stats matter? Thats why stats dont matter,or to rephrase they dont always tell the right story.

You got another plan other than locking up Kirk Cousins?

Please don't tell me it's about the money because Kirk has the 13th highest 2016 salary among NFL QB's, which seems to me to be about right for this season. As for the total amount of guaranteed salary, Kirk is ranked 24th, behind such luminaries as Ryan Tannehill and Brock Osweiler. In this league, even mediocre starting QB's cost a ridiculous amount in salary and cap space.

[MTK]

At this rate KC is going to get paid. Nothing to worry about.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

At this rate KC is going to get paid. Nothing to worry about.

KC is gonna get paid period. Even if we decide to go another route or he simply bombs...teams will lineup to pay him just based on last year. That QB play from last night....there is a serious need of QB talent.

[Schneed10]

Statistics aren't irrelevant, but you have to interpret them correctly. The fact that Cousins is 11th in passing yards and 13th in rating and whatever whatever, that's a function of both the quality of his play AND the quality of the offense around him, AND the situations the team has found itself in. So QBs can play to their ability, but they don't all face the same situations, they don't all have the same lines and same weapons, and they haven't all faced the same defenses.

So you can't just go off numbers and draw a conclusion based solely on that.

The question you have to answer is: if we had a different QB playing behind this line, with these weapons, and in the situations we've faced, how would that QB have done? Not easy to answer. But I think half the QBs in the NFL would have put up as good or better numbers than Cousins, and half would have been worse.

Our line is absolutely awesome at protecting, and between Reed Jackson Crowder and Garcon, some of the best weapons in the game. Last year Cousins was 6th in QBR, but I do not think he is the 6th best QB in the league. I think there's probably 10-15 guys who could have matched his numbers.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT! The point is football is a dependent game, and QBs aren't the only thing that matters. If Cousins can put up the 6th best QBR in the league partly because he's solid but also because he's benefitting from a good line and great weapons, then you've got a winning offensive formula. You don't F with it. You try to pay him fairly - not as the 6th best QB in the league, but as a good starter you can win with.

Cousins and the offense are not what's preventing us from being a very good team (well, he wasn't helping in the first two games this year). But now he looks much better. Our problem is defense. If McCloughan keeps Cousins and this offense together, and manages to put together a defense, THEN we've got something.

You don't need a top 5 QB in order to put up a top 5 offensive performance. Keep that in mind.

[punch it in]

Lets not completely burn down Cousins chances of turning into a top ten QB though. I think one very important aspect of stats is looking at them over the long haul, and not in a little window - where all of those situational factors are going to really effect the outcome.
Yes KC has weapons, and the oline has been great with pass pro. However our D certainly has not helped the offense by keeping them in rhythm and on the field. Our run game (minus last week) has been completely irrelevant for most of the time KC has been our starter. Teams dont even worry about it. So KC has done what he has done against defenses keying on the pass almost entirely.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

What I want to see from Cousins is better awareness when the pocket breaks down. When he has time (and thank god we pass block well) he can pick you apart. When the pocket DOES break down, he has major trouble. I feel like he's pretty good with hot reads against a blitz, but the second I see him pull the ball down and start running, I get antsy in my pantsies.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You don't need a top 5 QB in order to put up a top 5 offensive performance. Keep that in mind.

Joe Gibbs proved that numerous times. Under Gibbs, the Skins had top-rated offenses in 83,87,89,91, and 99. The QB's were Joe Theismann, Jay Schroeder, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, and Brad Johnson. Three of those teams went to the Super Bowl and two of them became NFL Champions.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Joe Gibbs proved that numerous times. Under Gibbs, the Skins had top-rated offenses in 83,87,89,91, and 99. The QB's were Joe Theismann, Jay Schroeder, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, and Brad Johnson. Three of those teams went to the Super Bowl and two of them became NFL Champions.

Unfortunately Gibbs isnt here. Neither is arguably the greatest o-line ever, a hof running back, a hof wr , or a stud defense. All things that help u win without a top five qb. Which brings me back to KC is doing what he is doing with ... well.... a mediocre coach, less than mediocre defense, and less than mediocre run game. All a credit to him. That is why he will not go anywhere. The Skins know this. They will continue to build around him.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lets not completely burn down Cousins chances of turning into a top ten QB though. I think one very important aspect of stats is looking at them over the long haul, and not in a little window - where all of those situational factors are going to really effect the outcome.
Yes KC has weapons, and the oline has been great with pass pro. However our D certainly has not helped the offense by keeping them in rhythm and on the field. Our run game (minus last week) has been completely irrelevant for most of the time KC has been our starter. Teams dont even worry about it. So KC has done what he has done against defenses keying on the pass almost entirely.

Excellent point, he can still get better. 28 years old is not peak for QB play, especially when you sat for a few years.

[los panda]

i had a dream that we won the super bowl, my first thought was "now we have to pay kirk."

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by MTK

At this rate KC is going to get paid. Nothing to worry about.

At what rate? 2 bad games then 2 good games? At that rate I hope he's getting paid somewhere else,we can pick up Brian Hoyer or Jay Cutler for a whole lot less for a inconsistent mediocre qb.
Now if he can go on a run like last year then it's a different ballgame,but drawing conclusions after 4 games is .......

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

At what rate? 2 bad games then 2 good games? At that rate I hope he's getting paid somewhere else,we can pick up Brian Hoyer or Jay Cutler for a whole lot less for a inconsistent mediocre qb.
Now if he can go on a run like last year then it's a different ballgame,but drawing conclusions after 4 games is .......

Mediocre gets paid now, it's a QB league.

The rule changes are trending even more toward it being a QB league.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

At what rate? 2 bad games then 2 good games? At that rate I hope he's getting paid somewhere else,we can pick up Brian Hoyer or Jay Cutler for a whole lot less for a inconsistent mediocre qb.

Now if he can go on a run like last year then it's a different ballgame,but drawing conclusions after 4 games is .......

I'm looking at how he's improved since weeks 1 and 2 and taking into account what he did last year as well.

Hoyer or Cutler?? Get the F outta here.