Breaking: Trent Williams Suspended 4 Games

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Let's not pretend that this isn't a big blow to the team. Franchise LT's don't grow on trees. We were in a position to come out of the bye relatively healthy and perhaps make a run but now this is going to be harder to do.



Kirk is going to get hit and sacked more with Trent out. This will lead to more turnovers. Also, the running game will suffer. Our offense may find itself in more long-yardage situations. I'm not even going to say what I'm worried about most. Perish the thought.



Hopefully, Gruden and McVay can come up with some creative ideas on offense that will help to compensate for Trent's absence. Perhaps some misdirection, screens, etc. to slow the rush. I dunno.



I hope I'm wrong.

Go ahead say it I already did. If KC gets hurt than TW's 2 million dollar bag of weed cost him a QB too.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

SS84 - this.is a great site and it takes all types to make work. That includes an ass like Schneed, a KC crazy like punch and even a jerk like me. But what i would like to think is that we all try to use common sense and some level of realistic discussion. You have shared some of your struggles, but there are other sites that thrive on hyper level comments and reactions. What I think Schneed in his own unique way was saying is simply "think about what might be reasonable reaction and discuss from there, if that does not appeal to your sense of this board then perhaps another board might fit your senses." But like I said this is a good board and everybody has the chance to put their 2cents in.

Sent from my S6 Edge

Pretty much. I don't like poor thinking and so I react strongly to it.

The surest sign of poor thinking is letting an emotional reaction color your thoughts about appropriate next steps. To suggest that Trent should be released means you are guilty of at least one of the following:

1) thinking that because lightning struck here, it absolutely will strike again in the future. Just because Trent violated the rules here doesn't mean he will do it again. Especially in light of the Jones report that it wasn't a failed test, it was a missed one.

2) You've gotten so angered by the situation that you've forgotten how important a player he is

3) You think Nsekhe can get us through without a problem. This indicates you don't understand the Xs and Os of our offense very well.

4) You are unaware how important the LT is to a football team

5) You think you can find a replacement in free agency or anywhere outside of the top 5 in the draft

Am I an ass? Sure. Think of me as a critical thinking vigilante. If you bring weak shit expect to be called to the carpet. This site is better than that, if you want to just spout emotional bullshit take it to another site, because you don't fit in here with us knowledgable fans.

[Schneed10]

PS it's ok to be furious at Trent. I'm livid myself. I hope they strip the captain's C. But if McCloughan released him every GM in the league would laugh their asses off right after they submitted a waiver claim.

[CRedskinsRule]

Ok, I know this goes to the conspiratorial tinfoil hat mode, that avoids the rational discussion I just said we all want BUT ...

How is it that within 2 weeks of Josh Brown's being kicked for Domestic Abuse, Dallas and Washington suddenly face a possible major player distraction (Elliot's abuse case "not being closed in NFL eyes", and TW missing a drug test). I don't trust Mara, haven't since the salary cap theft, and somehow, these 2 things just don't seem random.

But they probably are, and I am probably just listening to the wrong cosmic waves...

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Ok, I know this goes to the conspiratorial tinfoil hat mode, that avoids the rational discussion I just said we all want BUT ...

How is it that within 2 weeks of Josh Brown's being kicked for Domestic Abuse, Dallas and Washington suddenly face a possible major player distraction (Elliot's abuse case "not being closed in NFL eyes", and TW missing a drug test). I don't trust Mara, haven't since the salary cap theft, and somehow, these 2 things just don't seem random.

But they probably are, and I am probably just listening to the wrong cosmic waves...

If this were a witch hunt by Mara, Trent would have been screaming to the media and on social media that he didn't miss a drug test or piss dirty. But he's been silent. He knows he broke the rule.

Remember, for the NFL to announce the 4 game suspension that means the player's appeal has already been heard.

[Schneed10]

Actually, I hope they don't strip the captain's C necessarily. I hope Gruden puts it to the players to put it up for vote. Should we keep Trent as a captain, or should we give it to somebody else. Let the players vote, that way they choose to either stand by him or they choose to draw a hard line. The leadership role of the captaincy shouldn't come down from management - it's a decision the players should make. Keeping that decision with the players introduces the possibility that they rally together.

[rocnrik]

I would never release him..however I would trade him for 2 first round picks,a 2nd and a third and two starters....seriously what would you trade Trent for this offseason. would you do it for a 1st Rnd..or would you trade Trent even up for a top DL player . I know it aint happening but at least we can play GM .

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

I would never release him..however I would trade him for 2 first round picks,a 2nd and a third and two starters....seriously what would you trade Trent for this offseason. would you do it for a 1st Rnd..or would you trade Trent even up for a top DL player . I know it aint happening but at least we can play GM .

Well if you could get that kind of haul who wouldn't trade him? But you can't.

For what you could reasonably expect to get in return, I would never trade him. Our offense is built around strong pass protection, that's the entire foundation.

Jackson is rendered useless without protection, it takes time to get 40 yards downfield. If Jackson is rendered useless, then the safeties can clamp down on Reed and Crowder, and suddenly we're not running after the catch as much.

Trent is an unbelievably important player for us.

[irish]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Oh come on now BB is a life coach?

Not a life coach but I think his philosophy of "do your job" and the team's consistent winning ways creates an environment where players don't want to f-up and let the team down.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If this were a witch hunt by Mara, Trent would have been screaming to the media and on social media that he didn't miss a drug test or piss dirty. But he's been silent. He knows he broke the rule.

Remember, for the NFL to announce the 4 game suspension that means the player's appeal has already been heard.

Yes, I know that. But the same would have been true for Josh Brown's case in fact it would have been further along. That said, I mean it more in terms of Mara coercing more testing of Redskins then a targeting of TW. I have heard all year, and believe that some in the NFL have a target on Norman's back, and in fact many were saying his random tests were abnormally frequent. So in the tinfoil hat moment, if Mara knows via back room channels, that TW is doing weed, maybe he sways a random test when he knows he can pull a gotcha on TW. TW's silence definitely implies guilt, but that doesn't mean that all the factors involved in the situation were just happenstance.

All though they probably are.

Summing up - it's more my distrust of Mara's dealings in the NFL and his abuse of privilege then it is defending TW's innocence, because I doubt he is.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you bring weak shit expect to be called to the carpet. This site is better than that, if you want to just spout emotional bullshit take it to another site, because you don't fit in here with us knowledgable fans.

I like that about this site. You will eventually be called out for posting weak shit. It is not personal.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by irish

Not a life coach but I think his philosophy of "do your job" and the team's consistent winning ways creates an environment where players don't want to f-up and let the team down.

Aaron Hernandez did kill somebody under his watch though...

Belichick is an awesome coach, but I'm not really sure you can coach a man into quitting pot for all his career if he has a thing with it. Eventually he will have to pay the price to understand he must keep away from it...

However I'll ask again: how are we sure this is a pot thing?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Aaron Hernandez did kill somebody under his watch though...

Belichick is an awesome coach, but I'm not really sure you can coach a man into quitting pot for all his career if he has a thing with it. Eventually he will have to pay the price to understand he must keep away from it...

However I'll ask again: how are we sure this is a pot thing?

So, you had to bring up the Aaron Hernandez thing, did you? Don't you know that the narrative around here is that Belichick has supernatural mind-controlling powers over his players. "Look into my eyes. You will not smoke dope while you are on my team". He must have forgotten to tell Hernandez not to murder people while he had him hypnotized.

[punch it in]

SS84 also for the sake of your own sanity - one person made a comment to you , not knowing that it would hit home personally and he apologized.
If Schneed wants to say ur dumb learn to laugh at it like we all do. I mean we all have freedom of speech and thought here. Why it is such a great site. You are a bit pessimistic but at least you are not Redskins1980 - you are cordial about being a debbie downer. You dont say things like "you are all fucking stupid and ill laugh at you when ur fuckin team never wins again!" Honestly you bring points to the table to back your shit up. I think it would suck if you left.
Schneed as far as your first bullet point is this not the second time lightning has struck TW already?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Aaron Hernandez did kill somebody under his watch though...



Belichick is an awesome coach, but I'm not really sure you can coach a man into quitting pot for all his career if he has a thing with it. Eventually he will have to pay the price to understand he must keep away from it...



However I'll ask again: how are we sure this is a pot thing?

Well said. Exactly what I meant.