NFL offseason 1.0 thread

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

I know my opinion isn't the popular one, and I agree you should always respect the rules of the game. But if there's a loophole I expect teams to exploit it until it gets shut down. The margin between winning and losing is so thin that teams will look for every single advantage they can get.

If you were standing on defense and you watched the opposing coach put out signs to his players and you knew what those signs meant, you wouldn't try to watch him to keep the integrity of the game? I'd be in film study 8 days a week looking for every single advantage I can get.

Your opinion is alot more popular than you think.All teams in all sports try to get the competitive advantage ...it's part of the game.To your example ,from the time I was in little league my coachs have been watching other teams to see if they can guess what is going to happen by watching ther signals or signs be it in baseball or football.Deception and anticapation are part of the game.

[TheGuyFromOverThere]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Your opinion is alot more popular than you think.All teams in all sports try to get the competitive advantage ...it's part of the game.To your example ,from the time I was in little league my coachs have been watching other teams to see if they can guess what is going to happen by watching ther signals or signs be it in baseball or football.Deception and anticapation are part of the game.

I fully agree. In our amateur football league we had one team that used large signs with icons to give the QB the next play - same icons for the same plays all year long. We played them in the final game of the season for the championship. Well... let´s see our defense wasn´t very suprised by their playcalling.

[calia]

Originally Posted by TheGuyFromOverThere

I fully agree. In our amateur football league we had one team that used large signs with icons to give the QB the next play - same icons for the same plays all year long. We played them in the final game of the season for the championship. Well... let´s see our defense wasn´t very suprised by their playcalling.

Did you win? You can't leave us hanging on that.

[TheGuyFromOverThere]

Originally Posted by calia

Did you win? You can't leave us hanging on that.

Of course we did.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Your opinion is alot more popular than you think.All teams in all sports try to get the competitive advantage ...it's part of the game.To your example ,from the time I was in little league my coachs have been watching other teams to see if they can guess what is going to happen by watching ther signals or signs be it in baseball or football.Deception and anticapation are part of the game.

Agreed.

I really don't see how it can be considered cheating if you know you're being filmed (which is obviously the case in a game. Practice is different, you're supposed to be safe).

It would be stupidity at its finest for a team NOT to the study the opponent's signals...

That's why every team in every sport at any level tries to crypt its signals.

When I was 12, playing rugby, we had a "code", I would tell a really long number and the last digit would be the only one that matters, telling which player would get the ball on a lineout.
If I made it too obvious, like "two thousand six hundred and fiftyyy... THREE", which I sometimes did, the opponents would understand the "code"... and it was my fault, not their.

I also remember a practice, when I played football, when our coach spotted a player from an other team in the bleachers, with his smartphone in hands.
Instead of throwing him out, he discreetly asked us to do some BS plays that didn't exist on our playbook. (Like he asked our DLs to do some funny stunts, jumping above one another).

He made them study plays that we wouldn't use. Smart.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Your opinion is alot more popular than you think.All teams in all sports try to get the competitive advantage ...it's part of the game.To your example ,from the time I was in little league my coachs have been watching other teams to see if they can guess what is going to happen by watching ther signals or signs be it in baseball or football.Deception and anticapation are part of the game.

doesn't mean you shouldn't be punished for it when you get caught . . . don't do the crime if you are not willing to do the time

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

doesn't mean you shouldn't be punished for it when you get caught . . . don't do the crime if you are not willing to do the time

I think a difference has to be made between filming a team practice, which is cheating, and studying signals made during a game, that the whole world saw, which is just smart.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I think a difference has to be made between filming a team practice, which is cheating, and studying signals made during a game, that the whole world saw, which is just smart.

if you say so . . . to me, cheating is cheating . . . the nfl should allow all players to have head sets on . . . no signals needed at that point . . . people get in trouble if a guy on 2nd is intentionally trying to steal signals in baseball . . . why is that different?

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

if you say so . . . to me, cheating is cheating . . . the nfl should allow all players to have head sets on . . . no signals needed at that point . . . people get in trouble if a guy on 2nd is intentionally trying to steal signals in baseball . . . why is that different?

I would say because you have to be realistic. How can you effectively prevent people from studying film of a game filmed by 50 cameras?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I think a difference has to be made between filming a team practice, which is cheating, and studying signals made during a game, that the whole world saw, which is just smart.

I agree with this.