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[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

With this statement, you've given up on last year entire rookie class and you didn't mention one of the most dominant O-line in Conference.

The division title McC "rookie" year with the Skins has his stamp all over it.

I think the most damning moves have been Paea, Reyes, and Bruton Free Agent picks. Scott must do a better job with Free agents this year.

Last year's draft was terrible. Doctson was going to get minimal playing time if he was healthy. Cravens, there are lots of questions about... position ? Fuller meh. Matt I ? not much there.

Giving Scot credit for the O-line is quite a stretch. He drafted Scherff as a tackle. He is the only guard picked in the top 5 in a long time ...over 10 years. There are pro-bowl guards picked later in the draft. They could not run the ball on 3rd and short behind the great O-line or in the red zone.

The list of free agent busts is much longer than the three you mentioned.

And winning a very weak division is setting the bar very low.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

Last year's draft was terrible. Doctson was going to get minimal playing time if he was healthy. Cravens, there are lots of questions about... position ? Fuller meh. Matt I ? not much there.

Giving Scot credit for the O-line is quite a stretch. He drafted Scherff as a tackle. He is the only guard picked in the top 5 in a long time ...over 10 years. There are pro-bowl guards picked later in the draft. They could not run the ball on 3rd and short behind the great O-line or in the red zone.

The list of free agent busts is much longer than the three you mentioned.

And winning a very weak division is setting the bar very low.

So other than the three pick ups by Allen, name us all of the great pick ups Allen has been responsible for in his career as a GM, and compare it to all of the pick ups that McCloughan has been responsible for during his career in the NFL. You're judging by a couple years, the rest of us are judging by the body of work in a career.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by metalskins

So other than the three pick ups by Allen, name us all of the great pick ups Allen has been responsible for in his career as a GM, and compare it to all of the pick ups that McCloughan has been responsible for during his career in the NFL. You're judging by a couple years, the rest of us are judging by the body of work in a career.

I never said Allen did a good job. And everything Scot did anywhere else is irrelevant. Donovan McNabb was a decent QB before he came to Washington. (horrible trade)

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

I never said Allen did a good job. And everything Scot did anywhere else is irrelevant. Donovan McNabb was a decent QB before he came to Washington. (horrible trade)

I'm saying that Allen, from 2009-2014, helped to bring in talent (both player and coaching personnel) that netted him exactly one playoff year. 5 years with only one good season.

Since 2015, the Redskins have won more than they have lost and have had a playoff berth. All within just the first two years of player personnel being managed by Scot McCloughan. So yeah, again, tell me how you think McCloughan is not worth keeping around.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

I never said Allen did a good job. And everything Scot did anywhere else is irrelevant. Donovan McNabb was a decent QB before he came to Washington. (horrible trade)

I believe that McNabb was on his last legs during the final season in Philly. He was washed up when he arrived here. Look how horrible he was during his one short season in Minnesota. We didn't do him any favors here, but i also think it wasn't 100% our fault that he sucked here.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I believe that McNabb was on his last legs during the final season in Philly. He was washed up when he arrived here. Look how horrible he was during his one short season in Minnesota. We didn't do him any favors here, but i also think it wasn't 100% our fault that he sucked here.

question...who picked McNabb and then followed trading everything and up picking RG3.

Hint...it wasnt Shanny either time...

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

Last year's draft was terrible. Doctson was going to get minimal playing time if he was healthy. Cravens, there are lots of questions about... position ? Fuller meh. Matt I ? not much there.

Giving Scot credit for the O-line is quite a stretch. He drafted Scherff as a tackle. He is the only guard picked in the top 5 in a long time ...over 10 years. There are pro-bowl guards picked later in the draft. They could not run the ball on 3rd and short behind the great O-line or in the red zone.

The list of free agent busts is much longer than the three you mentioned.

And winning a very weak division is setting the bar very low.

I didn't mention the free agent wins either. Like I said before, Division title previous year clearly had Scott stamp on it. Back to back winning seasons? Id say we are moving in a better direction at a quicker pace than previously expected.

Very Weak division? I saw a lot of improvement outside of the Eagles. Giants, Cowboys and us...we aren't easy outs when teams outside the division played us.

Think we need to pump the brakes a lil bit. The offseason is long, but starting with it crushing McC...that's a lil reckless. Lets save the crazy til early Summer at least.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I didn't mention the free agent wins either. .

we are waiting

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

we are waiting

Lol...refutable, you are a knowledgeable fan, you know them. Id start with V Davis, Blackmon, Foster and J Norman just off the top of the dome. All big time contributors in his tenure here...

[Alvin Walton]

Ummm...yea....whatever the feck...
If our front office is broken then these nimrods better get it fixed or realigned NOW.
We are only two months away from the draft.