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[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It does seem like BA is becoming Vinny lite

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Can you explain this post? BA is nothing like Vinny.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

Can you explain this post? BA is nothing like Vinny.

I can try. It may be more a gut feeling than a one to one comparison. The issues with Vinny that I remember were:

Yes man to DS,
Abrasive personality,
poor talent evaluator,
egotistical and underhanded with both players and coaches.
favored yes men and "superstar" talent

Bruce seems to be a bit of a yes man/DS stooge.
His personality isn't abrasive, but it also seems to be passive aggresive,
at least with QB's (ask Chico) he is 0 for how many,
imo, he comes off as egotistical and underhanded (remember the winning the offseason quote)
I think a team building the best players would have signed KC using the FT as the leverage. I think a team building the best players would have released Hall at this point. I think a team building the best players would have released RG3 instead letting ego win the day.

He's not as abrasive. I think he is a little more deceitful. And he's may be managing to eff up a team that was looking up. (maybe he's not, and I will accept that if they get past their use of leaks and innuendo to disparage those that who disagree with them)

Hence Vinny Light.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I can try. It may be more a gut feeling than a one to one comparison. The issues with Vinny that I remember were:

Yes man to DS,
Abrasive personality,
poor talent evaluator,
egotistical and underhanded with both players and coaches.
favored yes men and "superstar" talent

Bruce seems to be a bit of a yes man/DS stooge.
His personality isn't abrasive, but it also seems to be passive aggresive,
at least with QB's (ask Chico) he is 0 for how many,
imo, he comes off as egotistical and underhanded (remember the winning the offseason quote)
I think a team building the best players would have signed KC using the FT as the leverage. I think a team building the best players would have released Hall at this point. I think a team building the best players would have released RG3 instead letting ego win the day.

He's not as abrasive. I think he is a little more deceitful. And he's may be managing to eff up a team that was looking up. (maybe he's not, and I will accept that if they get past their use of leaks and innuendo to disparage those that who disagree with them)

Hence Vinny Light.

Hold judgement until after the draft and really after the 2017 season ends til you say Bruce is effing up the team. Scot's last draft sort of sucked. I agree the FA season thus far is a mixed bag, but he hasn't wrecked anything... yet.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

Hold judgement until after the draft and really after the 2017 season ends til you say Bruce is effing up the team. Scot's last draft sort of sucked. I agree the FA season thus far is a mixed bag, but he hasn't wrecked anything... yet.

Yeah, he's only had 7 years with the team, not to mention the countless years with the Raiders and Bucs. But it's real easy to say he hasn't had his fair chance if you blame everything on Shanahan and McCloughan.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yeah, he's only had 7 years with the team, not to mention the countless years with the Raiders and Bucs. But it's real easy to say he hasn't had his fair chance if you blame everything on Shanahan and McCloughan.

One constant in the mix since 2000 and that is
Snyder. If Snyder wants a toadie, he will get a toadie. Blaming the toadie is exactly why
Snyder keeps them around. When
I say give Allen till the end of next season,
I am talking about whether or not getting rid of
Scot was a disaster. You guys are total masochists anyway.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

One constant in the mix since 2000 and that is
Snyder. If Snyder wants a toadie, he will get a toadie. Blaming the toadie is exactly why
Snyder keeps them around. When
I say give Allen till the end of next season,
I am talking about whether or not getting rid of
Scot was a disaster. You guys are total masochists anyway.

If you are saying we are doomed because Snyder is in charge, I agree. There is no hope. However, I will still be here, bitching and moaning, because if I left I'd have to fill a void that's been in my life for over a decade. I don't want to do that.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

One constant in the mix since 2000 and that is
Snyder. If Snyder wants a toadie, he will get a toadie. Blaming the toadie is exactly why
Snyder keeps them around. When
I say give Allen till the end of next season,
I am talking about whether or not getting rid of
Scot was a disaster. You guys are total masochists anyway.

If Snyder is such a meddler, should we attribute to him the back-to-back winning seasons?

Aside from the McCloughan fiasco, can someone tell me what has happened that is so horrible with the team that we are cursed to go 1-15 next year?

I'm not a Snyder or Allen apologist, but all this criticism makes it sound that we are still the perennial losers from before, despite the record from the past two years.

Also, it seems that no one wants to give Gruden any type of credit for the success of the team or how important it is that we finally seem to have some stability at the head coach position.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

If Snyder is such a meddler, should we attribute to him the back-to-back winning seasons?

Aside from the McCloughan fiasco, can someone tell me what has happened that is so horrible with the team that we are cursed to go 1-15 next year?

I'm not a Snyder or Allen apologist, but all this criticism makes it sound that we are still the perennial losers from before, despite the record from the past two years.

Also, it seems that no one wants to give Gruden any type of credit for the success of the team or how important it is that we finally seem to have some stability at the head coach position.

For once i swear that i'm not trying to be Debbie Downer, but i think a lot has happened in one offseason that COULD be negative that will affect our record.

#1 you have the major question at QB. Cousins is our man for 2017, or is he? Does he get traded, or does he play out the year as a lame-duck QB if no deal can be reached before July 15? If he gets traded, how many wins can we realistically expect out of Colt McCoy?

#2 The loss of Jackson and Garcon as weapons didn't help anything. I don't know tons about Terrell Pryor. Can he be a legitimate #1 threat at WR?

#3 - There will again be questions about our defense. I am going on a limb and saying that our defense MUST be ranked at least statistically average for us to have a shot in the close games that we lost last year. It isn't realistic again for our offense to have to score above 30 points every week just to give us a chance at winning.

#4 - Positive thing here: I think the Gruden extension does help all of us. My question is if it is a true two year extension or is there contract language to help us get out if we tank this season....

I'm hoping for the best this year like all of us. I think worst case scenario we go 6-10. I do beleive the squad as it is currently assembled is good enough to have that be our worst case scenario. I think best case this year might be 10-6, maybe greater if we have some good luck and things go our way.

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