By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread

skinsfaninok · 12-01-2017, 08:43 AM

U ask and U shall receive folks.

Here are some numbers in his 4 years.

26-33-1 Overall record

2-6 Vs Dallas (lost 4 straight)

5-3 vs Philly (lost 2 straight)

3-4 vs NYG (Won last meeting)

10-13 record in the NFCE.

1 Playoff appearance in 4 seasons, (got rolled that game too)

In his 4 years the team has showed improvement , he has had a top 10 offense in 3 straight seasons, BUT has also had a bottom 10 defense in that span.

Red zone efficiency has been laughable for most of his tenure here, the lack of run game has been just as bad.

This yr I have been on his side more than most due to the injuries BUT you cannot excuse the way this team plays in must win games over the years.

He looks clueless out there and his team reflects it on the field.

The lack of talent on the team this yr is very much so showing in recent weeks, How the fuck can you let both of your STUD Wrs leave and not have a plan to replace one of them? Don't give me Pryor either, dude had 1 good yr in his career on a bad Cleveland team that nobody cared about.

I think he's a good O.C don't get me wrong, he has brought a fun pass heavy offense to the Redskins that we have all been desperate of having for years.
It's his game management that kills this team, and he never ever makes adjustments at half time.

The Saints game ended it for me, how can you be up 15 with 4 mins left in a must win game... Then lose!!

He is another Marvin Lewis, nice guy that makes you think you can have a winner until he shoots himself in the foot like he always does.

I don’t say it was flat,” Gruden told reporters regarding the team’s performance during a fairly brief media appearance following the 38-14 loss. “I say we just dropped the ball. We had two fumbles and a dropped pass that resulted in an interception. So I don’t think we came out flat. We just didn’t protect the football. . . . I think the effort’s fine. We just got beat today. . . . Credit them for making the plays. We just didn’t make any.”

“But, overall, I think we haven’t been that handcuffed. We’ve just got to go out and continue to do what we do and go attack.”

“Oh, no, you never accept that,” Gruden said when asked whether he ever thought, “Here we go again,” this season. “You just have to keep pushing forward and try to get the guys ready that are going to play for you. But we expect to win every game that we play. There’s no reason for us to walk into a game or walk into a season and feel like it’s a wasted year. I think we still have a great opportunity now. We have to take advantage of it. It’s not what we expected personnel-wise, some of the injuries, but, you know, that’s pro football. You have to adjust to them, and you have to show your depth. The players that are playing have to play at a higher level to make up for some of the deficiencies we have because of injuries.

Same old BS response after every L we take..

"We just gotta get better"
"We didn't execute"

I'm done folks, 4 YEARS is enough time and if you have a losing record in that span, it's time to let him go.

I don't know who to bring in and I don't care much to look at candidates but something has to change.

I love this team but man it's hard to care yr after yr. HTTR

TheMalcolmConnection · 12-01-2017, 08:54 AM

Personally, I sometimes think we forget the forest for trees.

We have been brutalized by injuries. Yes, every team has them, but we have straight up been bent over by them.

We're putting in backups for our backups. Jay has had his issues, that's VERY true, but I really don't mind him as a coach. We can do a lot worse. Hell, do you think if we had Belicheck in here right now we'd suddenly be amazing? I don't. Even he couldn't compensate for what we lost.

First few games, our defense was dominant and our passing game was just getting going. I think Pryor being out has been addition by subtraction. We need a vet WR this offseason, even someone for a couple of years.

Lock up Zach Brown, lock up Cousins (if possible) and we'll be sitting pretty for next year provided we don't have this garbage happen all over again.

skinsfaninok · 12-01-2017, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Personally, I sometimes think we forget the forest for trees.

We have been brutalized by injuries. Yes, every team has them, but we have straight up been bent over by them.

We're putting in backups for our backups. Jay has had his issues, that's VERY true, but I really don't mind him as a coach. We can do a lot worse. Hell, do you think if we had Belicheck in here right now we'd suddenly be amazing? I don't. Even he couldn't compensate for what we lost.

First few games, our defense was dominant and our passing game was just getting going. I think Pryor being out has been addition by subtraction. We need a vet WR this offseason, even someone for a couple of years.

Lock up Zach Brown, lock up Cousins (if possible) and we'll be sitting pretty for next year provided we don't have this garbage happen all over again.

It's always the same stuff with Jay though, team is never prepared to play when the games really matter. Can we beat the bad teams? Of course but when we need the game or if it's a Primetime game, we come out so flat and bad like last night. I agree I like the guy and he has had so many guys hurt but sometimes enough is enough. Last night was embarrassing, it seems like anytime a team needs a spark "step up redskins give it to them" Never fails

NC_Skins · 12-01-2017, 08:54 AM

I'd rather have Sean McVay if that says anything. I think Jay is a good coach, just one that doesn't have much discipline. We could do better, but we also could do worse.

skinsfaninok · 12-01-2017, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'd rather have Sean McVay if that says anything. I think Jay is a good coach, just one that doesn't have much discipline. We could do better, but we also could do worse.

Who can we go after though? That's my hard Q to answer

metalskins · 12-01-2017, 09:16 AM

If you truly want change, then Bruce Allen is the one who needs to be fired. Plain and simple. Fire Bruce Allen, bring back Scot McCloughan, make him an honest to goodness, full fledged GM, with total control over the scouting team, the coaching staff, and the player personnel. Let him decide if he wants to keep Gruden and company, and if not, let him be the guy to find your next head coach and let THAT head coach pick his coaching staff. That is the way it should work.

All this talk about firing Jay Gruden and being silent on Bruce Allen is just ridiculous to me. You're going to get the same exact results with the next staff, and the next, and the next. Dan Snyder has not figured out how to hire the right person to run the team, and when we all felt he finally had, he didn't know how to give that person the power he needed to succeed. It's unrealistic to think Snyder will ever sell the team, so you have to hope that at some point, he gets rid of Bruce Allen.

Honestly, I think Gruden is the best we'll ever get as long as our front office is structured the way it is. Which means we'll be celebrating 8-8 seasons from now on.

skinsfaninok · 12-01-2017, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by metalskins

If you truly want change, then Bruce Allen is the one who needs to be fired. Plain and simple. Fire Bruce Allen, bring back Scot McCloughan, make him an honest to goodness, full fledged GM, with total control over the scouting team, the coaching staff, and the player personnel. Let him decide if he wants to keep Gruden and company, and if not, let him be the guy to find your next head coach and let THAT head coach pick his coaching staff. That is the way it should work.

All this talk about firing Jay Gruden and being silent on Bruce Allen is just ridiculous to me. You're going to get the same exact results with the next staff, and the next, and the next. Dan Snyder has not figured out how to hire the right person to run the team, and when we all felt he finally had, he didn't know how to give that person the power he needed to succeed. It's unrealistic to think Snyder will ever sell the team, so you have to hope that at some point, he gets rid of Bruce Allen.

Honestly, I think Gruden is the best we'll ever get as long as our front office is structured the way it is. Which means we'll be celebrating 8-8 seasons from now on.

Dan won't fire Bruce, the Allen name is too prestige in DC. Whatever is happening right now isn't working. Where is the bright spot even at for this team? We look like the Giants, with huge Q?S next yr too.

metalskins · 12-01-2017, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Dan won't fire Bruce, the Allen name is too prestige in DC. Whatever is happening right now isn't working. Where is the bright spot even at for this team? We look like the Giants, with huge Q?S next yr too.

This is the problem right here. The team will never succeed if Dan doesn't fire Bruce Allen.

skinsfaninok · 12-01-2017, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by metalskins

This is the problem right here. The team will never succeed if Dan doesn't fire Bruce Allen.

It won't with Dan period apparently. Dude is a damn curse, I know it sounds dumb but its hard to not think that way

SouperMeister · 12-01-2017, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by metalskins

If you truly want change, then Bruce Allen is the one who needs to be fired. Plain and simple. Fire Bruce Allen, bring back Scot McCloughan, make him an honest to goodness, full fledged GM, with total control over the scouting team, the coaching staff, and the player personnel. Let him decide if he wants to keep Gruden and company, and if not, let him be the guy to find your next head coach and let THAT head coach pick his coaching staff. That is the way it should work.

All this talk about firing Jay Gruden and being silent on Bruce Allen is just ridiculous to me. You're going to get the same exact results with the next staff, and the next, and the next. Dan Snyder has not figured out how to hire the right person to run the team, and when we all felt he finally had, he didn't know how to give that person the power he needed to succeed. It's unrealistic to think Snyder will ever sell the team, so you have to hope that at some point, he gets rid of Bruce Allen.

Honestly, I think Gruden is the best we'll ever get as long as our front office is structured the way it is. Which means we'll be celebrating 8-8 seasons from now on.

This captures much of how I feel. Bruce Allen has BOTCHED the Cousins situation, ever since Scot wanted to extend Kirk before the 2015 season! Then Bruce doubles down TWICE on a bad decision by not giving a true market offer after the next TWO offseasons. We are talking the most important position on the team here! Bruce must go, and frankly, his presence in the FO may be an obstacle for Kirk even wanting to negotiate a long-term deal.

Jay is a good offensive mind, but a very average head coach. You can't blame him for the shitstorm of injuries, but here is where Jay fails - ACCOUNTABILITY.

He held Matt Jones accountable for fumbling last year, and benched him. So how are we still putting Crowder back on punts, after 4 fumbles (3 lost)? Don't give me "we have nobody else on the roster to field a punt". Put Ryan Grant back there. Or bring someone off the street. Something. Does Belichick tolerate a punt returner with 4 fumbles in one season? No accountability.

How does the special teams coach still have a job? Both Cowboys games were turned in Dallas's favor by major special teams' gaffes. Other than the successful fake punt against New Orleans, special teams have been a massive fail all year. Again, no accountability.

Giantone · 12-01-2017, 10:21 AM

I'll take gruden over mcadoo -doo and day of the week.

irish · 12-01-2017, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by metalskins

If you truly want change, then Bruce Allen is the one who needs to be fired. Plain and simple. Fire Bruce Allen, bring back Scot McCloughan, make him an honest to goodness, full fledged GM, with total control over the scouting team, the coaching staff, and the player personnel. Let him decide if he wants to keep Gruden and company, and if not, let him be the guy to find your next head coach and let THAT head coach pick his coaching staff. That is the way it should work.

All this talk about firing Jay Gruden and being silent on Bruce Allen is just ridiculous to me. You're going to get the same exact results with the next staff, and the next, and the next. Dan Snyder has not figured out how to hire the right person to run the team, and when we all felt he finally had, he didn't know how to give that person the power he needed to succeed. It's unrealistic to think Snyder will ever sell the team, so you have to hope that at some point, he gets rid of Bruce Allen.

Honestly, I think Gruden is the best we'll ever get as long as our front office is structured the way it is. Which means we'll be celebrating 8-8 seasons from now on.

I agree. Until changes happen at the top then nothing will change no matter who the HC is. Unfortunately I don't see that happening.

Should they fire JG? No.

OmahaRedskins · 12-04-2017, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'd rather have Sean McVay if that says anything. I think Jay is a good coach, just one that doesn't have much discipline. We could do better, but we also could do worse.

Who is going to be better with all of the injuries?

skinsfaninok · 12-01-2017, 09:09 AM

Kirk Cousins: If you think our problem is a lack of effort you don’t know football – ProFootballTalk

skinsfan69 · 12-01-2017, 09:12 AM

I checked out on Gruden after the Saints game. I can not forgive that loss. Even last night he should have seen that Ty was struggling and didn't get him any help. You need to keep in extra blockers with the way the line is. It's just little things like that w/ him that annoy me. Above all else protect your QB.

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12-01-2017, 08:43 AM	#1
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,177	By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread U ask and U shall receive folks. Here are some numbers in his 4 years. 26-33-1 Overall record 2-6 Vs Dallas (lost 4 straight) 5-3 vs Philly (lost 2 straight) 3-4 vs NYG (Won last meeting) 10-13 record in the NFCE. 1 Playoff appearance in 4 seasons, (got rolled that game too) In his 4 years the team has showed improvement , he has had a top 10 offense in 3 straight seasons, BUT has also had a bottom 10 defense in that span. Red zone efficiency has been laughable for most of his tenure here, the lack of run game has been just as bad. This yr I have been on his side more than most due to the injuries BUT you cannot excuse the way this team plays in must win games over the years. He looks clueless out there and his team reflects it on the field. The lack of talent on the team this yr is very much so showing in recent weeks, How the fuck can you let both of your STUD Wrs leave and not have a plan to replace one of them? Don't give me Pryor either, dude had 1 good yr in his career on a bad Cleveland team that nobody cared about. I think he's a good O.C don't get me wrong, he has brought a fun pass heavy offense to the Redskins that we have all been desperate of having for years. It's his game management that kills this team, and he never ever makes adjustments at half time. The Saints game ended it for me, how can you be up 15 with 4 mins left in a must win game... Then lose!! He is another Marvin Lewis, nice guy that makes you think you can have a winner until he shoots himself in the foot like he always does. I don’t say it was flat,” Gruden told reporters regarding the team’s performance during a fairly brief media appearance following the 38-14 loss. “I say we just dropped the ball. We had two fumbles and a dropped pass that resulted in an interception. So I don’t think we came out flat. We just didn’t protect the football. . . . I think the effort’s fine. We just got beat today. . . . Credit them for making the plays. We just didn’t make any.” “But, overall, I think we haven’t been that handcuffed. We’ve just got to go out and continue to do what we do and go attack.” “Oh, no, you never accept that,” Gruden said when asked whether he ever thought, “Here we go again,” this season. “You just have to keep pushing forward and try to get the guys ready that are going to play for you. But we expect to win every game that we play. There’s no reason for us to walk into a game or walk into a season and feel like it’s a wasted year. I think we still have a great opportunity now. We have to take advantage of it. It’s not what we expected personnel-wise, some of the injuries, but, you know, that’s pro football. You have to adjust to them, and you have to show your depth. The players that are playing have to play at a higher level to make up for some of the deficiencies we have because of injuries. Same old BS response after every L we take.. "We just gotta get better" "We didn't execute" I'm done folks, 4 YEARS is enough time and if you have a losing record in that span, it's time to let him go. I don't know who to bring in and I don't care much to look at candidates but something has to change. I love this team but man it's hard to care yr after yr. HTTR __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

12-01-2017, 08:54 AM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread Personally, I sometimes think we forget the forest for trees. We have been brutalized by injuries. Yes, every team has them, but we have straight up been bent over by them. We're putting in backups for our backups. Jay has had his issues, that's VERY true, but I really don't mind him as a coach. We can do a lot worse. Hell, do you think if we had Belicheck in here right now we'd suddenly be amazing? I don't. Even he couldn't compensate for what we lost. First few games, our defense was dominant and our passing game was just getting going. I think Pryor being out has been addition by subtraction. We need a vet WR this offseason, even someone for a couple of years. Lock up Zach Brown, lock up Cousins (if possible) and we'll be sitting pretty for next year provided we don't have this garbage happen all over again. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

12-01-2017, 08:54 AM	#4
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,587	Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread I'd rather have Sean McVay if that says anything. I think Jay is a good coach, just one that doesn't have much discipline. We could do better, but we also could do worse. __________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

12-01-2017, 09:16 AM	#6
metalskins The Starter Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,464	Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread If you truly want change, then Bruce Allen is the one who needs to be fired. Plain and simple. Fire Bruce Allen, bring back Scot McCloughan, make him an honest to goodness, full fledged GM, with total control over the scouting team, the coaching staff, and the player personnel. Let him decide if he wants to keep Gruden and company, and if not, let him be the guy to find your next head coach and let THAT head coach pick his coaching staff. That is the way it should work. All this talk about firing Jay Gruden and being silent on Bruce Allen is just ridiculous to me. You're going to get the same exact results with the next staff, and the next, and the next. Dan Snyder has not figured out how to hire the right person to run the team, and when we all felt he finally had, he didn't know how to give that person the power he needed to succeed. It's unrealistic to think Snyder will ever sell the team, so you have to hope that at some point, he gets rid of Bruce Allen. Honestly, I think Gruden is the best we'll ever get as long as our front office is structured the way it is. Which means we'll be celebrating 8-8 seasons from now on. __________________ Reserved for a witty signature.

12-01-2017, 10:21 AM	#11
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,426	Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread I'll take gruden over mcadoo -doo and day of the week. __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

12-01-2017, 09:09 AM	#14
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,177	Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread Kirk Cousins: If you think our problem is a lack of effort you don’t know football – ProFootballTalk __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

12-01-2017, 09:12 AM	#15
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,437	Re: By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread I checked out on Gruden after the Saints game. I can not forgive that loss. Even last night he should have seen that Ty was struggling and didn't get him any help. You need to keep in extra blockers with the way the line is. It's just little things like that w/ him that annoy me. Above all else protect your QB.

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