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[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Marijuana and opioids as a method of pain relief is about as big of a false equivalency as has ever existed.

Why don't we ask NFL players what they prefer? They'd have a pretty good idea about the constant physical pain that accompanies playing in the NFL. Let me guess: You don't care what their opinion is, because they know the risks when they sign up.

Nah, why don't we ask people that have tried everything to handle pain management but cannabis/cannabinoids was the only effective treatment?

Nah, why don't we ask people that have extreme epilepsy if cannabis derived substances have worked where opoids/others have failed? Never mind that your attorney general doesn't even want medical marijuana to be legal.

My only point was that medical marijuana has shown to be effective, and less addictive than opoids. But opoids are legal, and have the backing of a multi-billion dollar industry, which is a big reason why marijuana is not. I'm not gonna argue that average people that enjoy getting high need it, just that it should be legal and regulated on the same basis as alcohol so we can all share that nice boost of tax revenue we would see if it was federally legalized.

[Giantone]

Not an argument that there is a problem never said other wise but it's all so ignorant to say that it just started and it's all Obamacare fault. Different medication works differently on different people ,what works for one does not for another.I get that and yes there are Doctors that have abused their prescription privileges.

Medical marijuana has it's place as do opiods, as does all medicine...if handled "CORRECTLY".
There is a personal responsibility that must be admitted to,you can't pull a Chico and blame Obamacare becuase of your political affiliation.

Mooby ,you're right lets ask the NFL players ,from the 60's and 70's,lets hear their stories of ,pain shots before a game,steroids use and pain pills abuse .They pretty much all did it to play,all needed the money back then.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mooby

Why don't we ask NFL players what they prefer? They'd have a pretty good idea about the constant physical pain that accompanies playing in the NFL. Let me guess: You don't care what their opinion is, because they know the risks when they sign up.

Nah, why don't we ask people that have tried everything to handle pain management but cannabis/cannabinoids was the only effective treatment?

Nah, why don't we ask people that have extreme epilepsy if cannabis derived substances have worked where opoids/others have failed? Never mind that your attorney general doesn't even want medical marijuana to be legal.

My only point was that medical marijuana has shown to be effective, and less addictive than opoids. But opoids are legal, and have the backing of a multi-billion dollar industry, which is a big reason why marijuana is not. I'm not gonna argue that average people that enjoy getting high need it, just that it should be legal and regulated on the same basis as alcohol so we can all share that nice boost of tax revenue we would see if it was federally legalized.

Marijuana is not as effective at relieving pain. There have been countless studies on this. If you ask NFL players, who are about as physically tough a group as you can find, the responses you get are not representative of the broader population. Taking the edge off may be all a player requires, because he’s tough as nails. A 60 year old woman recovering from a hip replacement is entirely a different story.

You are also completely ignoring the damage that marijuana does to lung function and other significant health implications. For some reason marijuana has developed this reputation for being a healthy way to self medicate. It’s just not founded in facts.

I’m not saying the use of opioids isn’t a problem. Our doctors are being much more thoughtful about going to them. But every one of them will tell you that if opioids are determined to be a bad fit for a patient, then the next best option for pain relief is the maximum allowable dose of ibuprofen, not marijuana.

Marijuana is medically prescribed for only specific types of pain management. Eye pressure caused by glaucoma, an example.

If you throw out your back and you expect marijuana to help, you’re an uneducated idiot. Doctors do not get kickbacks from prescribing opioids, and big pharma makes next to nothing on opioids - they’re all generics, there are no patents protecting high prices.

I love how these notions get legs and everybody rolls with it without questioning or asking someone who knows.

You’ve been had, mooby.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Marijuana is not as effective at relieving pain. There have been countless studies on this. If you ask NFL players, who are about as physically tough a group as you can find, the responses you get are not representative of the broader population. Taking the edge off may be all a player requires, because he’s tough as nails. A 60 year old woman recovering from a hip replacement is entirely a different story.

You are also completely ignoring the damage that marijuana does to lung function and other significant health implications. For some reason marijuana has developed this reputation for being a healthy way to self medicate. It’s just not founded in facts.

I’m not saying the use of opioids isn’t a problem. Our doctors are being much more thoughtful about going to them. But every one of them will tell you that if opioids are determined to be a bad fit for a patient, then the next best option for pain relief is the maximum allowable dose of ibuprofen, not marijuana.

Marijuana is medically prescribed for only specific types of pain management. Eye pressure caused by glaucoma, an example.

If you throw out your back and you expect marijuana to help, you’re an uneducated idiot. Doctors do not get kickbacks from prescribing opioids, and big pharma makes next to nothing on opioids - they’re all generics, there are no patents protecting high prices.

I love how these notions get legs and everybody rolls with it without questioning or asking someone who knows.

You’ve been had, mooby.

Not as effective as opoids? I'll concede that. Not as addictive? I'll definitely take that argument. And my knowledge as to what marijuana helps is limited to the aforementioned articles, so I'm not gonna argue it solves back pain either. If it did, I'd have been blazin' daily when I pulled a ligament a couple years ago. I treated that with good ol' fashioned chiropractics instead.

Just please don't act like there aren't doctors out there throwing out fraudulent prescriptions left and right for no other reason than to make some extra money. Pill farms are fairly common in Florida, and I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't elsewhere too. Where else are the street dealers gonna get their supply?

Also idk where this argument is going. I didn't even take the percocets when I got my wisdoms pulled, because idw fuck with that shit. My sole point is that America's heroin epidemic starts with the opoid epidemic. I'm not gonna debate the effectiveness of marijuana vs. opoids for pain relief, it's something I know very little about. But sitting there acting like marijuana really has very few beneficial aids makes you look biased Schneed, especially in light of the fact you work in the health industry.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mooby

Not as effective as opoids? I'll concede that. Not as addictive? I'll definitely take that argument. And my knowledge as to what marijuana helps is limited to the aforementioned articles, so I'm not gonna argue it solves back pain either. If it did, I'd have been blazin' daily when I pulled a ligament a couple years ago. I treated that with good ol' fashioned chiropractics instead.

Just please don't act like there aren't doctors out there throwing out fraudulent prescriptions left and right for no other reason than to make some extra money. Pill farms are fairly common in Florida, and I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't elsewhere too. Where else are the street dealers gonna get their supply?

Also idk where this argument is going. I didn't even take the percocets when I got my wisdoms pulled, because idw fuck with that shit. My sole point is that America's heroin epidemic starts with the opoid epidemic. I'm not gonna debate the effectiveness of marijuana vs. opoids for pain relief, it's something I know very little about. But sitting there acting like marijuana really has very few beneficial aids makes you look biased Schneed, especially in light of the fact you work in the health industry.

I don't believe I did dismiss it. I explained that for very specific types of pain, like eye pressure caused by glaucoma, doctors agree that marijuana's efficacy is high.

But I also explained that just because opioids are addictive and a major problem, that doesn't mean that marijuana is the next best choice for most types of pain. It's not. Every doctor in America would say it's ibuprofen (Advil), naproxen (Aleve), or acetomenaphen (Tyelenol).

And I also explained that opioids don't make much money for big pharma. That's not a bias - I see what we get paid for administering vicodin and perc in the hospital, it's pennies. The notion that big pharma is getting rich on opioids is just not founded in fact.

Big pharma gets rich on biologics more than any other drug family. Pain management is a drop in their bucket.

So I wasn't dismissing it. I was just systematically destroying your poorly thought out position on marijuana's efficacy for pain relief.