By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread

[Schneed10]

Ultimately, my big concern is Jay doesn't have the organizational skills to tie all of his coaches together and get them working in a unified fashion to implement his vision.

Bill Callahan schemes the run game and Jay handles the passing game. I don't think they play well off one another. They don't run and pass out of the same formations, certain formations are nearly 100% runs and others are nearly 100% passes.

Our pass blocking is strong so the passing game usually clicks. Our running game gets stuffed, and I think it's because the D knows when its coming.

It's awkward. He misses McVay, who tied it all together a little better. We can do better than Gruden.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yet these two eggs are coming at a time when we're healthier than we were against New Orleans and Seattle.

You sure about that? The IR list has only continued to grow week to week

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...7_injuries.htm

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Ultimately, my big concern is Jay doesn't have the organizational skills to tie all of his coaches together and get them working in a unified fashion to implement his vision.

Bill Callahan schemes the run game and Jay handles the passing game. I don't think they play well off one another. They don't run and pass out of the same formations, certain formations are nearly 100% runs and others are nearly 100% passes.

Our pass blocking is strong so the passing game usually clicks. Our running game gets stuffed, and I think it's because the D knows when its coming.

It's awkward. He misses McVay, who tied it all together a little better. We can do better than Gruden.

Really? Like who? No experienced head coach would come here unless they are desperate for a job. Hiring another coordinator as a head coach means another 2-4 years of on the job head coach training. At this point Gruden is the best fit for this team.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

You sure about that? The IR list has only continued to grow week to week

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...7_injuries.htm

Scherff, Williams, and Moses all playing. They're obviously our three best offensive linemen. Cousins hasn't missed a start. Doctson, Crowder, Vernon Davis, Ryan Grant, Niles Paul all playing. Why again couldn't we score more than 6 points on offense on Sunday?

Ioannidis got his cast off Sunday. Kerrigan, Preston, Junior and Ryan Anderson all healthy. Secondary all healthy except for Montae. Zach Brown still on the field. Explain why DJ thinks cheating over to cover Allen is the right move when Norman thinks he's got safety help on the Tyrell Williams bomb. Either DJ messed that up, or Norman messed that up. Gruden said DJ messed it up. So why then is your opening day free safety messing that up? Could it be that he wasn't coached well?

Why don't players know their assignments going into the game?

Please Matty, you've become the ultimate excuse-maker.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

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Really? Like who? No experienced head coach would come here unless they are desperate for a job. Hiring another coordinator as a head coach means another 2-4 years of on the job head coach training. At this point Gruden is the best fit for this team.

Ultimately that is resigning yourself to being the new Cleveland Browns.

I didn't say Allen also shouldn't go. It should be a cleaned house. Allen doesn't know how to run a football operation, and Gruden doesn't know how to organize a staff to implement a strategic vision.

Start over.

[MTK]

I’m not excusing anything, we flat out stunk the last 2 games. It doesn’t change the fact we have a ton of injuries. I’m not going to lay it all on JG while overlooking how he had this team competing pretty much all year outside of the last 2.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yet these two eggs are coming at a time when we're healthier than we were against New Orleans and Seattle.

This team isn't healthier. You can tell by how gassed the defense gets after one half of a football game. That comes from having nobody to rotate in. The offense isn't healthier. We have one running back. Half of the offensive line out on IR, and the guys playing are all playing hurt. Our back ups to the backups to the other backups continue to get hurt. Our best receiver is Ryan Grant. He shouldn't be anywhere near a starting lineup. How Gruden was able to keep this team competitive up until the last two weeks has been nothing short of amazing. He's literally fielding a team of third stringers and practice squad guys. Kirk Cousins has been the only constant starter throughout the season.

If anything, those two eggs are indicative to the fact that this team has ran out of juice, physically. The players who have check out mentally, the ones Swearinger was calling out, is an indictment on Bruce Allen, not Jay Gruden. I believe Gruden is doing everything he can do to get the players ready, but if they're still asking questions about assignments 5 minutes before the game, that is a sign that A) The coach has nobody else to put in and B) the front office has done a lousy job at player acquisition.

I don't care who the coach is, as long as you have the wrong people in charge with bringing in guys to complete the roster, the head coach will never be truly successful, save for a mirage of a good season sprinkled in here or there. The first guy that needs to be looked at it Bruce Allen. His handling of the Kirk Cousins contract talks, the RGIII situation, his handling of Scot McCloughan's firing, his overall poor winning % under his direction (GMs share in the win/loss ratio as well), his inability to bring in solid mid-season acquisitions to give the team a fighting chance, and his inability to find solid contributors in the lower rounds of the draft. There is more than enough to boot Allen to the curb. And if you think Gruden has been a failure, then that also reflects on Bruce Allen's inability to hire the right guy for the job. It's been one big cluster under Allen, and that's the first place I look at if I'm Dan Snyder.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Ultimately that is resigning yourself to being the new Cleveland Browns.

I didn't say Allen also shouldn't go. It should be a cleaned house. Allen doesn't know how to run a football operation, and Gruden doesn't know how to organize a staff to implement a strategic vision.

Start over.

Start over again? This is how many start overs in the last 15 years? IMO starting over is cutting off your nose to spite your face with no guarantee that starting over will provide better results. It seems that starting over is the one thing this organization does well so I understand why its always the first choice of the organization and a lot of it's fans.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Ultimately, my big concern is Jay doesn't have the organizational skills to tie all of his coaches together and get them working in a unified fashion to implement his vision.

Bill Callahan schemes the run game and Jay handles the passing game. I don't think they play well off one another. They don't run and pass out of the same formations, certain formations are nearly 100% runs and others are nearly 100% passes.

Our pass blocking is strong so the passing game usually clicks. Our running game gets stuffed, and I think it's because the D knows when its coming.

It's awkward. He misses McVay, who tied it all together a little better. We can do better than Gruden.

Running is severely lacking and affects every aspect of the game...simply put, we need better talent at running and a change in the interior Oline...Spencer Long/Lauavo/Chase Roullier have been HORRIFIC run blocking. Im shocked people would want Long and Lauavo back.

[irish]

Originally Posted by metalskins

This team isn't healthier. You can tell by how gassed the defense gets after one half of a football game. That comes from having nobody to rotate in. The offense isn't healthier. We have one running back. Half of the offensive line out on IR, and the guys playing are all playing hurt. Our back ups to the backups to the other backups continue to get hurt. Our best receiver is Ryan Grant. He shouldn't be anywhere near a starting lineup. How Gruden was able to keep this team competitive up until the last two weeks has been nothing short of amazing. He's literally fielding a team of third stringers and practice squad guys. Kirk Cousins has been the only constant starter throughout the season.

If anything, those two eggs are indicative to the fact that this team has ran out of juice, physically. The players who have check out mentally, the ones Swearinger was calling out, is an indictment on Bruce Allen, not Jay Gruden. I believe Gruden is doing everything he can do to get the players ready, but if they're still asking questions about assignments 5 minutes before the game, that is a sign that A) The coach has nobody else to put in and B) the front office has done a lousy job at player acquisition.

I don't care who the coach is, as long as you have the wrong people in charge with bringing in guys to complete the roster, the head coach will never be truly successful, save for a mirage of a good season sprinkled in here or there. The first guy that needs to be looked at it Bruce Allen. His handling of the Kirk Cousins contract talks, the RGIII situation, his handling of Scot McCloughan's firing, his overall poor winning % under his direction (GMs share in the win/loss ratio as well), his inability to bring in solid mid-season acquisitions to give the team a fighting chance, and his inability to find solid contributors in the lower rounds of the draft. There is more than enough to boot Allen to the curb. And if you think Gruden has been a failure, then that also reflects on Bruce Allen's inability to hire the right guy for the job. It's been one big cluster under Allen, and that's the first place I look at if I'm Dan Snyder.

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[Schneed10]

After four years you guys are ready to say this is the best we can do? Bump our heads on 9-7? If we're fully healthy all year, and things break our way, we can maybe get to 10-6.

That's what you could hope for next year. Because every year a Gruden team lays a few inexplicable eggs. Cincinatti in London. Giants Week 17 last year.

You're signing up for mediocrity. And you're also crazy.

[skinsfan69]

Mid season firings never really work but Gruden should have been fired after the Saints game. The last two games only confirms that he's not HC material. His own players don't even know their assignments, and these aren't guys that are just coming off the street either.

The injuries have hurt but last week was a non competitive team that looked like they didn't want to be there, coming off a long layoff. I've never seen a defense give up 350 yards in a half in an NFL game. Last week's effort was inexcusable, just like the Saints game was.

[skinsfaninok]

The saints game was it for me, the fact that we had a chance to make a playoff run even with the injuries, BUT you as a team choke away a 15 PT lead with 4 mins left...

Then the HC says "I just don't understand" or "we have to find ways to win" That to me shows he's in over his head, I'm not saying he's a shit coach but he isn't HC material.

Also the year we went 9-7 and won the pathetic east, we had NO big time injuries, Jordan Reed was a monster and Romo got injured early on or else Dallas probably would have won it that yr.

Jay is 26-34 as a HC, that isn't terrible but it isn't good either.

He is what his record says he is, very rarely do you see guys turn it around and become great head coaches. BB doesn't count.

Sean Mcvay has turned a complete 180 around in LA, that team was horrible for the last 10 plus years, he comes in and proves hes one of the next big time coaches in the NFL.

Same as Doug P, look at what he has done in Philly.

Hell even Jason Garrett who most Dallas fans want gone every yr has a winning record.

[Schneed10]

Gruden's record with McVay and his record without McVay speaks volumes.

His complete inability to field a competitive defense over FOUR SEASONS also is damning. He doesn't know how to hire a defensive coordinator.

[Schneed10]

Complete and utter incompetency in 2-minute situations.

He can design a passing game, I'll give him that. But that qualifies you for offensive coordinator, not head coach.