With the 13th Pick the Washington Redskins select...

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You’re forgetting that we had a very good run defense last year until Ionitas and Allen got hurt. They’re both back and healthy and we can hopefully rotate Phil Taylor in there. Using the 13th pick on a player who can’t rush the passer and would only play about 50% of snaps would be very very stupid of Bruce Allen.



We need to use the pick on a playermaker who will play close to 100 percent of snaps. At least one of Derwin James, Tremaine Edmunds, Roquan Smith, or Minkah Fitzpatrick will be there at 13. I’ll be extremely disappointed if we don’t take one of them.

Allen got hurt in his fifth game. Of those 5 games the Chiefs gashed us for almost 200 yards and Oakland had 120. So to say we had a very good run defense before he got hurt is just not true at all.
Furthermore when you got a guy like Vea eating up the middle of an offensive line is going to allow for the rest of the front 7 to better get to the passer. Since when is a NT’s number one job to rush the passer and there is no way he would play 50% of downs.

https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article...s-12861846.php

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Allen got hurt in his fifth game. Of those 5 games the Chiefs gashed us for almost 200 yards and Oakland had 120. So to say we had a very good run defense before he got hurt is just not true at all.
Furthermore when you got a guy like Vea eating up the middle of an offensive line is going to allow for the rest of the front 7 to better get to the passer. Since when is a NT’s number one job to rush the passer and there is no way he would play 50% of downs.

https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article...s-12861846.php

Chiefs ran for 168 yards against us. And our opponents ran 2.7 yards per rush against us in games when Allen and ionitas were healthy.... that’s pretty darn good.

It’s not that I dont think Vea is good. If we traded down to the 20 or below I’d be fine taking him. But 13 is way too high for him. It would be a huge reach.


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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Chiefs ran for 168 yards against us. And our opponents ran 2.7 yards per rush against us in games when Allen and ionitas were healthy.... that’s pretty darn good.

It’s not that I dont think Vea is good. If we traded down to the 20 or below I’d be fine taking him. But 13 is way too high for him. It would be a huge reach.


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I agree.
My perfect scenario is trade down, Vea/Payne then RB/G.

But if we don't trade down I want a true unique playmaker like Edmunds.

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Chiefs ran for 168 yards against us. And our opponents ran 2.7 yards per rush against us in games when Allen and ionitas were healthy.... that’s pretty darn good.

It’s not that I dont think Vea is good. If we traded down to the 20 or below I’d be fine taking him. But 13 is way too high for him. It would be a huge reach.


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Well we can agree to disagree about Vea. He is a freak athlete for his size and will absolutely be an immediate impact player wherever he winds up imo.Not sure why everyone seems to think this guy is a reach at 13 but time will tell.
Anyway there is no scenario where we trade down and still get him. We might be able to trade down and still get Payne which would be ok. I just think Vea is going to be a beast.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well we can agree to disagree about Vea. He is a freak athlete for his size and will absolutely be an immediate impact player wherever he winds up imo.Not sure why everyone seems to think this guy is a reach at 13 but time will tell.

cooleys film breakdown did it for me. He’s just not a pass rusher. teams that spend most of their time in the 3-4 and nickel shouldn’t take a pure run stuffer that high. He’s be coming off on 3rd down most of tihe time. It’s jus not getting the most bang for your buck.

Plus, with me personally, i don’t like him at 13 because i think at least one of those other 4 guys (2 DBs and 2 LBs) will be there and i personally like them better. This draft is supposedly pretty deep at rb and interior DL, so unless we trade down, I’d rather get a more talented player with our first and get DT And RB later. Or even not draft a DT in the first 4 rounds and sign Hankins.

We have room for significant improvement at almost every position (save for QB and OT). If we can’t ttade down, i want the best player on the board at 13. If the skins believe it’s Vea, then fine, but at 13 we can’t afford to reach even a little.

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

cooleys film breakdown did it for me. He’s just not a pass rusher. teams that spend most of their time in the 3-4 and nickel shouldn’t take a pure run stuffer that high. He’s be coming off on 3rd down most of tihe time. It’s jus not getting the most bang for your buck.



Plus, with me personally, i don’t like him at 13 because i think at least one of those other 4 guys (2 DBs and 2 LBs) will be there and i personally like them better. This draft is supposedly pretty deep at rb and interior DL, so unless we trade down, I’d rather get a more talented player with our first and get DT And RB later. Or even not draft a DT in the first 4 rounds and sign Hankins.



We have room for significant improvement at almost every position (save for QB and OT). If we can’t ttade down, i want the best player on the board at 13. If the skins believe it’s Vea, then fine, but at 13 we can’t afford to reach even a little.

He isn’t a pass rusher because he ate up two guys on every play. He allowed their pass rushers to dominate. He will do the same thing at the next level. So to me we are getting the run stuffer and he makes our ends better. He makes our dbs better as a result to. He eats up blockers. Ends get to the quarterback quicker. Quarterback has to release the ball faster. Total bang for the buck. You can draft an edge rusher but with a hole in the middle it will be more of the same. Gashed up the middle. Anyway we will see what happens. Imo the only way we do not get him is if he goes ahead of us and that wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by punch it in

He isn’t a pass rusher because he ate up two guys on every play. He allowed their pass rushers to dominate. He will do the same thing at the next level. So to me we are getting the run stuffer and he makes our ends better. He makes our dbs better as a result to. He eats up blockers. Ends get to the quarterback quicker. Quarterback has to release the ball faster. Total bang for the buck. You can draft an edge rusher but with a hole in the middle it will be more of the same. Gashed up the middle. Anyway we will see what happens. Imo the only way we do not get him is if he goes ahead of us and that wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

This is changing the subject a bit, but If we don’t get Vea or Payne, i think there’s an extremely good chance we sign Hankins, who would not only fill that need in the middle of our d-like, but is the best free agent still out there by far. There are no comparable free agents out there at our other positions of need.

My dream scenario is that we sign edmunds/Fitzpatrick/smith/James with our first, Nab a guard with our second, Sign Hankins, Sign CJ Anderson.




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[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

This is changing the subject a bit, but If we don’t get Vea or Payne, i think there’s an extremely good chance we sign Hankins, who would not only fill that need in the middle of our d-like, but is the best free agent still out there by far. There are no comparable free agents out there at our other positions of need.

My dream scenario is that we sign edmunds/Fitzpatrick/smith/James with our first, Nab a guard with our second, Sign Hankins, Sign CJ Anderson.

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Good thinking! That works for me. I think we would be an improved football team, especially so if the OG could start right away.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

He isn’t a pass rusher because he ate up two guys on every play. He allowed their pass rushers to dominate. He will do the same thing at the next level. So to me we are getting the run stuffer and he makes our ends better. He makes our dbs better as a result to. He eats up blockers. Ends get to the quarterback quicker. Quarterback has to release the ball faster. Total bang for the buck. You can draft an edge rusher but with a hole in the middle it will be more of the same. Gashed up the middle. Anyway we will see what happens. Imo the only way we do not get him is if he goes ahead of us and that wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

He isn’t a pass rusher because he doesn’t have any moves and he needs a lot of work in that area of his game, listen to Cooley’s breakdown.

He wins with power and as strong as he is the ridiculous mismatches he has in college aren’t going to happen nearly as often in the pros.

I don’t have any problem with taking him if Fitzpatrick, James, Edmunds, and Smith are gone by then, which certainly could happen.

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Originally Posted by MTK

He isn’t a pass rusher because he doesn’t have any moves and he needs a lot of work in that area of his game, listen to Cooley’s breakdown.

He wins with power and as strong as he is the ridiculous mismatches he has in college aren’t going to happen nearly as often in the pros.

I don’t have any problem with taking him if Fitzpatrick, James, Edmunds, and Smith are gone by then, which certainly could happen.

The same could be said for anyone of the players drafted tonight as far as the pros being a tougher ballgame. He will get even stronger and he will get better hopefully in the pass rush department. Just do not underestimate the value that a huge agile piece of meat like Vea brings to the rest of our front 7 as far as them being freed up to get to the quarterback. Also for that matter how that helps the secondary.