Remember the Titans: Pregame Thread

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Same formula from last week...stop the run and the offense has to be efficient when we cross the 50

Something to think about:

Josh Johnson QBR was 70.6 against Jacksonville, for 8th best in the league. THATS 3rd fucking best for a Redskins QB ALL FUCKING YEAR! Alex Smith only top that figure twice, once against Arizona and Green Bay.

Fucking disaster trade and extension.

He was pretty much Alex Smith on Sunday and that is what we need

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

He was pretty much Alex Smith on Sunday and that is what we need

A better Alex Smith according to QBR numbers.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

A better Alex Smith according to QBR numbers.

No. You don't understand QBR. You're banned from trying to interpret it.

QBR's formula is clutch-weighted. Meaning, when the game situation is tie game, or down by one score late, then your play in that situation matters a great deal.

And Johnson played well in the drive to tie it and then following the Moreau pick to win it. This is fine and he deserves some credit from coming through there. But you still have to bring game context into it - the Jaguars could barely complete a forward pass. That offense had no business playing in the NFL, that was obvious.

So then why, if Johnson is so good, did it take him 4 quarters to get the lead on such a shitty offense?

Yeah the Jags defense is decent, but if Josh Johnson really is 70 QBR level good, then he should have gotten up on them much sooner than the 4th quarter.

Reality is his 70 QBR is that high because Crowder bailed him out on the self tip, and Moreau's tip drill pick on Kessler's duck gave him another chance he otherwise wouldn't have gotten.

These are all the reasons a 70 QBR is not sustainable for JJ. He won't put up a QBR that good again. The opportunity for him to come through in the clutch was gift-wrapped by the Jaguars and their shitty offense. That's what JJ needed - his backup backup backup level play was bailed out by Cody Kessler.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

No. You don't understand QBR. You're banned from trying to interpret it.

QBR's formula is clutch-weighted. Meaning, when the game situation is tie game, or down by one score late, then your play in that situation matters a great deal.

And Johnson played well in the drive to tie it and then following the Moreau pick to win it. This is fine and he deserves some credit from coming through there. But you still have to bring game context into it - the Jaguars could barely complete a forward pass. That offense had no business playing in the NFL, that was obvious.

So then why, if Johnson is so good, did it take him 4 quarters to get the lead on such a shitty offense?

Yeah the Jags defense is decent, but if Josh Johnson really is 70 QBR level good, then he should have gotten up on them much sooner than the 4th quarter.

Reality is his 70 QBR is that high because Crowder bailed him out on the self tip, and Moreau's tip drill pick on Kessler's duck gave him another chance he otherwise wouldn't have gotten.

These are all the reasons a 70 QBR is not sustainable for JJ. He won't put up a QBR that good again. The opportunity for him to come through in the clutch was gift-wrapped by the Jaguars and their shitty offense. That's what JJ needed - his backup backup backup level play was bailed out by Cody Kessler.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...oved-qb-rating

The intent of Total QBR is to isolate each NFL quarterback's contribution to his team's fortunes as accurately as possible with the data available. It measures nearly every aspect of quarterback play, from passing to designed runs to scrambles to turnovers to penalties. QBR also strives to separate the performance of the individual quarterback from the rest of his team, all in an effort to rate the overall efficiency of each quarterback in the league

But now, QBR accounts for opposing defenses: Quarterbacks who face tougher defenses will have their ratings adjusted upward in proportion to the difficulty of their opposition, and those who face weaker defenses will have their ratings adjusted downward. This is one more step toward gaining a true measure of overall quarterback performance -- and a big step.

Next, we compute an adjustment to each quarterback's performance based on those estimates of how tough each defense is. We also factor in home-field advantage. It's no surprise that quarterbacks playing at home tend to have an easier time than those playing on the road. These adjustments are made underneath the hood of QBR -- on each quarterback's share of his team's expected points added (EPA) per play, which factors in nearly all aspects of quarterback play, including passes, scrambles, designed runs, sacks, turnovers and even some penalties. Those EPA rates are also adjusted to correct for performance in "garbage time," when the game's outcome has effectively been decided.

It sounds like your mad about Johnson having the 3rd best QBR score for the season for the skins. I don't get it but that's fine. Rationalize it anyway you want.

Alex Smith wasn't good this year, at all. He never lived up to the trade or the coming contract. I tend to think QBR is a better to look at the over all performance for the QB. Above is what they are score...that's really all I said. take it or leave it

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...oved-qb-rating

The intent of Total QBR is to isolate each NFL quarterback's contribution to his team's fortunes as accurately as possible with the data available. It measures nearly every aspect of quarterback play, from passing to designed runs to scrambles to turnovers to penalties. QBR also strives to separate the performance of the individual quarterback from the rest of his team, all in an effort to rate the overall efficiency of each quarterback in the league

But now, QBR accounts for opposing defenses: Quarterbacks who face tougher defenses will have their ratings adjusted upward in proportion to the difficulty of their opposition, and those who face weaker defenses will have their ratings adjusted downward. This is one more step toward gaining a true measure of overall quarterback performance -- and a big step.

Next, we compute an adjustment to each quarterback's performance based on those estimates of how tough each defense is. We also factor in home-field advantage. It's no surprise that quarterbacks playing at home tend to have an easier time than those playing on the road. These adjustments are made underneath the hood of QBR -- on each quarterback's share of his team's expected points added (EPA) per play, which factors in nearly all aspects of quarterback play, including passes, scrambles, designed runs, sacks, turnovers and even some penalties. Those EPA rates are also adjusted to correct for performance in "garbage time," when the game's outcome has effectively been decided.

It sounds like your mad about Johnson having the 3rd best QBR score for the season for the skins. I don't get it but that's fine. Rationalize it anyway you want.

Alex Smith wasn't good this year, at all. He never lived up to the trade or the coming contract. I tend to think QBR is a better to look at the over all performance for the QB. Above is what they are score...that's really all I said. take it or leave it

He took a step back this yr, in fact he played about as good as Dak has all year so it was definitely a disappointment but as we have seen with all 4 QB's now, the targets on this offense are not very good. There is no true #1 WR and the TE play has been poor most of the year.. VDavis dropped another easy catch Sunday down the sideline.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...oved-qb-rating

The intent of Total QBR is to isolate each NFL quarterback's contribution to his team's fortunes as accurately as possible with the data available. It measures nearly every aspect of quarterback play, from passing to designed runs to scrambles to turnovers to penalties. QBR also strives to separate the performance of the individual quarterback from the rest of his team, all in an effort to rate the overall efficiency of each quarterback in the league

But now, QBR accounts for opposing defenses: Quarterbacks who face tougher defenses will have their ratings adjusted upward in proportion to the difficulty of their opposition, and those who face weaker defenses will have their ratings adjusted downward. This is one more step toward gaining a true measure of overall quarterback performance -- and a big step.

Next, we compute an adjustment to each quarterback's performance based on those estimates of how tough each defense is. We also factor in home-field advantage. It's no surprise that quarterbacks playing at home tend to have an easier time than those playing on the road. These adjustments are made underneath the hood of QBR -- on each quarterback's share of his team's expected points added (EPA) per play, which factors in nearly all aspects of quarterback play, including passes, scrambles, designed runs, sacks, turnovers and even some penalties. Those EPA rates are also adjusted to correct for performance in "garbage time," when the game's outcome has effectively been decided.

It sounds like your mad about Johnson having the 3rd best QBR score for the season for the skins. I don't get it but that's fine. Rationalize it anyway you want.

Alex Smith wasn't good this year, at all. He never lived up to the trade or the coming contract. I tend to think QBR is a better to look at the over all performance for the QB. Above is what they are score...that's really all I said. take it or leave it

I don't think you understand a lick of ESPN's text there.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't think you understand a lick of ESPN's text there.

Yea Chico, Tebow > Rodgers.

Try and keep up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoot...mp/?authuser=0

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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Yea Chico, Tebow > Rodgers.

Try and keep up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoot...mp/?authuser=0

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Lol yeah...well I’m not gonna defend that one. I’ll take it for the variables it uses and the situational elements...I didn’t say Johnson > a smith. I said Johnson had a nice game, was surprised to see his qbr...it’s not a predictor.

I’ve used qbr over passer rating all day long...football outsiders uses their set of criteria which take into account similar variables as well. You might prefer that one or PFF. To each his own.