Redskins sign Landon Collins 6 yr/84M

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Very reasonable deal, people that were scoffing over the initial numbers are looking pretty silly now.

Never judge a deal on the initial numbers.

Its still a lot for a Safety with the cap hit...coming off recent coverage issues.

The question now is going forward...I don't want to fucking hear about not having the money for obvious issues on the team. And saying well lets wait for the draft to fill the need is ass backwards team building...that's how you seriously fuck up.

Left Guard, Safety, Edge pass rusher...We need starters at everyone of these positions. We have no Oline depth...none sans the Tackle from Louisville.

Look at the money allocated at TE...makes zero sense. WR is a complete mess.

We need a lot of help...so the Collins deal is great...but we need to continue to spend money. Smart money

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Very reasonable deal, people that were scoffing over the initial numbers are looking pretty silly now.



Never judge a deal on the initial numbers.

Not only that but he is young and he is a leader on defense. And just stop with he cant cover. He protects the top of the field, contains it, and allows the front 7 to get after it. It was a solid move.

[SFREDSKIN]

Nice breakdown:

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...llins-contract

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Look at the money allocated at TE...makes zero sense.

You think $16 mil in 2019 for Jordan "Made of glass" Reed and Vernon "Hands of stone" Davis is too much money?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

You think $16 mil in 2019 for Jordan "Made of glass" Reed and Vernon "Hands of stone" Davis is too much money?

At the minimum you cut Vernon Davis and move Sprinkle up to 2nd TE. But Id look for a trade for Reed...see if you could get a late 3rd, or early 4th round pick.

Rams and Pats got some comp picks in the 3rd round...try to get one of those...Reed isn't the future here.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

You think $16 mil in 2019 for Jordan "Made of glass" Reed and Vernon "Hands of stone" Davis is too much money?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/tight-end/

Washington Redskins 5 $17,755,334 $3,551,067 9.19%

We spend more on Tight Ends than any other team.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So basically the Redskins are back loading this contract?

Yes.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Yes.

Important to remember at this point, a new cba will come into play for the 21-24 portion. While no one knows what will happen, it's inconcievable to me that the player pool of money would decrease in any meaningful way. The most likely outcome is an even larger salary cap number with more tools to maneuver money in contracts. So, the back end cap numbers on any deals made going forward is even more circumspect then in the past.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Its still a lot for a Safety with the cap hit...coming off recent coverage issues.

The question now is going forward...I don't want to fucking hear about not having the money for obvious issues on the team. And saying well lets wait for the draft to fill the need is ass backwards team building...that's how you seriously fuck up.

Left Guard, Safety, Edge pass rusher...We need starters at everyone of these positions. We have no Oline depth...none sans the Tackle from Louisville.

Look at the money allocated at TE...makes zero sense. WR is a complete mess.

We need a lot of help...so the Collins deal is great...but we need to continue to spend money. Smart money

It takes two people to agree to the terms of a contract. Some players are going to want money upfront, creating a larger cap hit.

Eric Schaffer did wonders with this contract, but Collins and his agent had to agree to it.

[Schneed10]

There are backloaded contracts where you've paid a huge signing bonus and kept the salary low in the first few years, like the Redskins used to do under Cerrato. And then there are backloaded contracts with low signing bonuses and no guaranteed money after the first few years.

With the former, your cap gets crushed if you release the player. With the latter, you can release the player after three years with little in the way of cap repercussions. The Redskins signed Collins to the latter.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It takes two people to agree to the terms of a contract. Some players are going to want money upfront, creating a larger cap hit.

Eric Schaffer did wonders with this contract, but Collins and his agent had to agree to it.

Definitely a good thing to point out here. Just because it worked with Collins doesn't mean everyone out there would be up to taking a similar deal.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

There are backloaded contracts where you've paid a huge signing bonus and kept the salary low in the first few years, like the Redskins used to do under Cerrato. And then there are backloaded contracts with low signing bonuses and no guaranteed money after the first few years.

With the former, your cap gets crushed if you release the player. With the latter, you can release the player after three years with little in the way of cap repercussions. The Redskins signed Collins to the latter.

exactly...that's a specific nuance with limiting any type of pain.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

At the minimum you cut Vernon Davis and move Sprinkle up to 2nd TE. But Id look for a trade for Reed...see if you could get a late 3rd, or early 4th round pick.

Rams and Pats got some comp picks in the 3rd round...try to get one of those...Reed isn't the future here.

no one is going to give up a mid-round pick AND pay Reed $10 million

[Schneed10]

Why the fuck are we talking about trading Jordan Reed. Are we playing fantasy GM? Because if so fine go nuts but you might as well just fart in the wind.

Jay Gruden is never going to sign off on trading Reed. He loves the guy and runs his offense through him. It will never go on the table.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Why the fuck are we talking about trading Jordan Reed. Are we playing fantasy GM? Because if so fine go nuts but you might as well just fart in the wind.

Jay Gruden is never going to sign off on trading Reed. He loves the guy and runs his offense through him. It will never go on the table.

And personnel decisions by Jay will most likely lead to his ouster at the end of the season. Jay guys really haven't gotten it done. Ive brought up Reed because he still has value