Fixing(?) Entitlements

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Thats why i moved it to its own thread

There are so many parts to entitlement reform, I think its important to start with some basic agreements:

Can we on here all agree that:
There should be a sovial welfare net for the elderly, sick and children?

That our healthcare system AS IT IS now is in need of reform.

We need to find a balance of future spending obligations with the size and scope of the social welfare net's reach.

I hope this discussion can avoid political amd racial divisiveness that permeates rhe current atmosphere and focus on what we really can do as a nation.



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Healthcare needs a review, Obamacare was a great idea that has some flaws but the bones of it are good,yes, some adjustments should/ must be made .

[Buffalo Bob]

As much as I hate to say it all entitlement programs need more government oversight. Through the years I have come across way too many people abusing welfare and social security disability. The people I know that were gaming the system could have been easily exposed with a little surveillance and a few surprise visits.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

As much as I hate to say it all entitlement programs need more government oversight. Through the years I have come across way too many people abusing welfare and social security disability. The people I know that were gaming the system could have been easily exposed with a little surveillance and a few surprise visits.

Usually the juice isn't worth the squeeze. OIG has bigger fish to fry than Joe Schmoe who may be working a little on the side. (People are actually allowed to work while on disability and/or SSI to certain limits, just to note.)

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

As much as I hate to say it all entitlement programs need more government oversight. Through the years I have come across way too many people abusing welfare and social security disability. The people I know that were gaming the system could have been easily exposed with a little surveillance and a few surprise visits.

Originally Posted by MTK

Usually the juice isn't worth the squeeze. OIG has bigger fish to fry than Joe Schmoe who may be working a little on the side. (People are actually allowed to work while on disability and/or SSI to certain limits, just to note.)

My issues are when Joe Schmoe is healthy enough to work a full time job, but lazy and gaming the system. People that do that often seem to run in family circles.
I had an employee who had a couple cousins, females in their mid 30's who were on social security disability, claiming to have fibromyalgia. I gave them both all expense paid vacations to Vegas complete with cash to gamble with in exchange for help working a couple conventions promoting our products.

I spent a better parts of 2 weeks with these women and neither showed one sign of being less than perfectly healthy.

As for the welfare fraud I have worked with plenty a guy who fathered children out of wedlock, one guy had 5 , lived with the mother who was collecting welfare on the children he fathered all while he had a full time job that paid a livable wage.

I have just seen too much of this in my small world to not think it strains the system.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

My issues are when Joe Schmoe is healthy enough to work a full time job, but lazy and gaming the system. People that do that often seem to run in family circles.
I had an employee who had a couple cousins, females in their mid 30's who were on social security disability, claiming to have fibromyalgia. I gave them both all expense paid vacations to Vegas complete with cash to gamble with in exchange for help working a couple conventions promoting our products.

I spent a better parts of 2 weeks with these women and neither showed one sign of being less than perfectly healthy.

As for the welfare fraud I have worked with plenty a guy who fathered children out of wedlock, one guy had 5 , lived with the mother who was collecting welfare on the children he fathered all while he had a full time job that paid a livable wage.

I have just seen too much of this in my small world to not think it strains the system.

Eh, everyone knows someone who knows someone who does something, etc. It's anecdotal stuff.

Medicare billing fraud is a much bigger issue and puts more strain on the system than Joe Schmoe.

Besides, everyone complains about how hard it is to get social security disability in the first place right? That's because it is hard to get. Even people with disabilities have good days, good weeks, etc. And there's the mental conditions that you don't necessarily see.

[Back2RFK]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Healthcare needs a review, Obamacare was a great idea that has some flaws but the bones of it are good,yes, some adjustments should/ must be made .

Tell that to the millions of the self employed who lost their insurance. If I had a qualified policy under Obama Care my premium would be $1980 per month for a family of 3, and our deductible would be $6000 per Person. Yes, that is a $6000 ded. per person. So if you do the math, $1980 x 12=$23,760 add on an $18,000 ded. and we would be paying $41,760 before receiving any real befits from Obama Care. This is what hit all small business owners.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Back2RFK

Tell that to the millions of the self employed who lost their insurance. If I had a qualified policy under Obama Care my premium would be $1980 per month for a family of 3, and our deductible would be $6000 per Person. Yes, that is a $6000 ded. per person. So if you do the math, $1980 x 12=$23,760 add on an $18,000 ded. and we would be paying $41,760 before receiving any real befits from Obama Care. This is what hit all small business owners.

..................simply not true I had. have a policy and pay 490 a month for the family.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

..................simply not true I had. have a policy and pay 490 a month for the family.

That's great for you and your family. I would say it is likely more of the exception than the norm, unless you are in government. My company- a commercial small business - has raised deductibles/premiums along the lines of Back2Rfk's post, same with my brother in law's company in a different industry.





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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Giantone

..................simply not true I had. have a policy and pay 490 a month for the family.

The price varies greatly depending on which plan you choose and which company is offering it on the exchange.