The hypocrisy of the ________

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Idk, seems like a lot of responsibility tasking the feds with divvying up the pie for local gov't vs. increasing the budget for medicare. And non-profits? If the gov't was funding non-profits every NP would be out there asking for money. I'm also wary of giving to charity seeing as there are tons of charities out there that use very little of their resources towards the cause, like Susan G Komen for instance.

How much of government bureaucracy goes to the end cause?

There are solid reports on charity overhead, and the distributions could be tied to having certain percentages met.

To piggy back on Matty's SS Disability comments, I believe non-government bodies would never make the application so convoluted that you get a 30% initial success. Yes you want only qualified applicants, but you don't want to feed the bureaucratic machine and lawyers around it. For example of the 70% disapproved on round 1 I would be curious what percent got lawyers (I know tons of lawyers bottom feed on this work) and got approved "a year or two" later. If they really have disabilities, you want them to get approved and get the help they need the first go around.

There are hundreds or thousands of charities that use money effectively (far more so than the government) and you have to have some governmental bureaucracy, so let the bureaucracy churn its wheels approving charities to help, then let the charities actually help people without bureaucratic overhead.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

To piggy back on Matty's SS Disability comments, I believe non-government bodies would never make the application so convoluted that you get a 30% initial success. Yes you want only qualified applicants, but you don't want to feed the bureaucratic machine and lawyers around it. For example of the 70% disapproved on round 1 I would be curious what percent got lawyers (I know tons of lawyers bottom feed on this work) and got approved "a year or two" later. If they really have disabilities, you want them to get approved and get the help they need the first go around.

There’s nothing convoluted about the application, it’s very straight forward. Some main reasons why people get denied initially... they don’t cooperate with the process, ie don’t go to consultative exams or don’t return required forms or requests for follow up information. Also, we don’t screen out applicants. Even though you need to have a condition that is either terminal or will keep you out of work for at least a year, if you insist on filing due to your sprained pinky you can file. I’d say non cooperation and filing for mild injuries/conditions account for a significant amount of initial denials. Having a lawyer is a complete waste of money. All it buys is a false sense of security. They fill out the same paperwork we fill out for applicants and they often do a much worse job.


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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

There’s nothing convoluted about the application, it’s very straight forward. Some main reasons why people get denied initially... they don’t cooperate with the process, ie don’t go to consultative exams or don’t return required forms or requests for follow up information. Also, we don’t screen out applicants. Even though you need to have a condition that is either terminal or will keep you out of work for at least a year, if you insist on filing due to your sprained pinky you can file. I’d say non cooperation and filing for mild injuries/conditions account for a significant amount of initial denials. Having a lawyer is a complete waste of money. All it buys is a false sense of security. They fill out the same paperwork we fill out for applicants and they often do a much worse job.


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I guess the stat I would be interested to know, but quite honestly not interested enough to dig it out myself, is of the 64% that are disqualified, how many are found to be qualified at a later stage.

To me "non-cooperation" and failure to file forms is exactly the bureacratic side of it that I say should be between Govt and Nonprofits/charities, not between the govt and the disabled person who needs the help. The filing for mild injuries/conditions certainly is what taxpayers would hope would be the largest percent of rejections to be and if it's over 90% then I would reconsider my position, but even in that, non-governmental organizations can, imo, evaluate and direct people who should not be receiving disability aid more effectively and personably then a government bureaucrat who is tasked with NOT screening out applicants.