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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

Yall crazy. 7 wins? We'll be lucky to win 3 games behind that O Line. We will be picking top 5 in the draft next year, bank on that.

We as Redskins fans have been spoiled in one aspect of football for the past 30 years.
LT
From the Hogs, to Lachey to Samuels to Williams we have had a near nonstop top tier LT protecting our QBs. Other teams have won far more with far less lines. Green Bay comes to mind off the top.

Not saying OL doesn't matter, but it also doesnt doom the season if you can compensate for it with your RB and QB positions.

I think our RBs will find and exploit creases, and just as importantly, I think Keenum showed up in Minnesota that he can guide an offense behind a weaker OL.

We may not be an offensive juggernaut with Penn at LT, but we are not going to be a deadzone either.

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[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

We as Redskins fans have been spoiled in one aspect of football for the past 30 years.
LT
From the Hogs, to Lachey to Samuels to Williams we have had a near nonstop top tier LT protecting our QBs. Other teams have won far more with far less lines. Green Bay comes to mind off the top.

Not saying OL doesn't matter, but it also doesnt doom the season if you can compensate for it with your RB and QB positions.

I think our RBs will find and exploit creases, and just as importantly, I think Keenum showed up in Minnesota that he can guide an offense behind a weaker OL.

We may not be an offensive juggernaut with Penn at LT, but we are not going to be a deadzone either.

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To be fair, Keenum also had Diggs, Thielen, and the best 3rd down defense of all time. We have none of those things.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

To be fair, Keenum also had Diggs, Thielen, and the best 3rd down defense of all time. We have none of those things.

stats from Pro-Football
Diggs was a 5th round pick going into his 3rd year, never had a 1000 yard season, and had 7 touchdowns his first two years, and started 20 out of 32 games his first two seasons.

Thielen went undrafted in 2013, and was cut and put on the Vikings practice squad, then started 14 games from 2014-2016
his stat line for his seasons before 2017
yr tgt rec td
2014-13-8-137-1
2015-18-12-144-0
2016-92-69-967-5


in 2017 their respective stats were:
Diggs-started 14 games -95-64-849-8
Thielen-started 16 games-142-91-1276-4

My point is they weren't really "DIGGS and THIELEN" till Keenum got there. They might have had potential, but his play helped bring it out.

Maybe he does the same with our potential WR's

as for defense, we will see, I think our defense will be special (in a good way) this year.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

stats from Pro-Football
Diggs was a 5th round pick going into his 3rd year, never had a 1000 yard season, and had 7 touchdowns his first two years, and started 20 out of 32 games his first two seasons.

Thielen went undrafted in 2013, and was cut and put on the Vikings practice squad, then started 14 games from 2014-2016
his stat line for his seasons before 2017
yr tgt rec td
2014-13-8-137-1
2015-18-12-144-0
2016-92-69-967-5


in 2017 their respective stats were:
Diggs-started 14 games -95-64-849-8
Thielen-started 16 games-142-91-1276-4

My point is they weren't really "DIGGS and THIELEN" till Keenum got there. They might have had potential, but his play helped bring it out.

Maybe he does the same with our potential WR's

as for defense, we will see, I think our defense will be special (in a good way) this year.

And we have no one on our team that has even come close to 849 WR yards at WR let alone 1200, Case had that one year of 21 TDs and 7 Ints but outside of that, has been just a waste of space. Yes our defense has potential but like Brain Billick said potential will get you fired

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

And we have no one on our team that has even come close to 849 WR yards at WR let alone 1200, Case had that one year of 21 TDs and 7 Ints but outside of that, has been just a waste of space. Yes our defense has potential but like Brain Billick said potential will get you fired

I'm not hired, so they aren't firing me. We don't have a clue what our WR's are capable of, now that we have cleared out most of the deadwood. Maybe they are more of the same, but at least in preseason the ones that played flashed good stuff.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

To be fair, Keenum also had Diggs, Thielen, and the best 3rd down defense of all time. We have none of those things.

Minnesota had all those things last year and they managed to win one more game than we did (and tied another game that they should have lost).

We have a good defense with potential to be great, and while who knows about our wideouts, they are young and unproven, and maybe, just maybe we get lucky and find a diamond in the rough.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Minnesota had all those things last year and they managed to win one more game than we did (and tied another game that they should have lost).

We have a good defense with potential to be great, and while who knows about our wideouts, they are young and unproven, and maybe, just maybe we get lucky and find a diamond in the rough.

but last year they had Kurt, so they were SB bound!

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Minnesota had all those things last year and they managed to win one more game than we did (and tied another game that they should have lost).

We have a good defense with potential to be great, and while who knows about our wideouts, they are young and unproven, and maybe, just maybe we get lucky and find a diamond in the rough.

Their defense took a major step back last year too, the 2018 defense was no where near as good as the 2017 one. I hope we find a diamond in the rough, but I am just not expecting anything special from Case Keenum.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Their defense took a major step back last year too, the 2018 defense was no where near as good as the 2017 one. I hope we find a diamond in the rough, but I am just not expecting anything special from Case Keenum.

I wouldn't call this a major step back; but it is a step back.

Vikes 2018 Defense:
#4 Yds Allowed, Yds/Game Allowed
#9 Pts Allowed, Pts/Game Allowed
#17 Takeaways

Vikes 2017 Defense:
#1 Yds Allowed, Yds/Game Allowed
#1 Pts Allowed, Pts/Game Allowed
#23 Takeaways

The funny thing is that from 2017 to 2018, the Vikes offensive rankings went down in yards (#11 to #20) and points (#10 to #19), but went up in giveaways (#30 vs. #16).

And yes, I need a life if I'm looking this stuff up.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I wouldn't call this a major step back; but it is a step back.

Vikes 2018 Defense:
#4 Yds Allowed, Yds/Game Allowed
#9 Pts Allowed, Pts/Game Allowed
#17 Takeaways

Vikes 2017 Defense:
#1 Yds Allowed, Yds/Game Allowed
#1 Pts Allowed, Pts/Game Allowed
#23 Takeaways

The funny thing is that from 2017 to 2018, the Vikes offensive rankings went down in yards (#11 to #20) and points (#10 to #19), but went up in giveaways (#30 vs. #16).

And yes, I need a life if I'm looking this stuff up.

the magic of kirk cousins

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I wouldn't call this a major step back; but it is a step back.

Vikes 2018 Defense:
#4 Yds Allowed, Yds/Game Allowed
#9 Pts Allowed, Pts/Game Allowed
#17 Takeaways

Vikes 2017 Defense:
#1 Yds Allowed, Yds/Game Allowed
#1 Pts Allowed, Pts/Game Allowed
#23 Takeaways

The funny thing is that from 2017 to 2018, the Vikes offensive rankings went down in yards (#11 to #20) and points (#10 to #19), but went up in giveaways (#30 vs. #16).

And yes, I need a life if I'm looking this stuff up.

You have a life, I appreciate you looking it up. As far as the major step back it is the 3rd down efficiency rate. Now I thought they were stupid to give Cousins that money but that is their problem now. Giveaways are big but didn't Keenum have 15 ints last year??

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

You have a life, I appreciate you looking it up. As far as the major step back it is the 3rd down efficiency rate. Now I thought they were stupid to give Cousins that money but that is their problem now. Giveaways are big but didn't Keenum have 15 ints last year??

Case's giveaways numbers were terrible last year in Denver: 15 INTs and 8 Fumbles. However, his numbers in 2017 with the Vikes were 7 INTs and 1 fumble.

I keep bringing the 2017 Vikings because there is a slight chance the Redskins could somehow create a similar environment, where Case can game manage the team to a winning record:

- Wide Receivers: Diggs and Theilen broke out in 2017, the season prior to that, they were average young wideouts that no one knew about. This is a long shot, but maybe we have one or two of the young wideouts breakout in the same manner.

- Running Game: Guice, AP, and CT are a much much much better running game than Lativius Murray, McKinnon, and the 4 games that Dalvin Cook played in 2017.

- Offensive Line: Minnesota has had issues with their offensive line for several seasons, a lot of Vikings fans were complaining last season how they spent so much money on the QB position without spending money on the o-line (sounds familiar?).

- Defense: As you pointed out, the Vikes 2017 defense was elite; I don't think our defense is elite right now, but they do have top 10 or even top 5 potential.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

We as Redskins fans have been spoiled in one aspect of football for the past 30 years.
LT
From the Hogs, to Lachey to Samuels to Williams we have had a near nonstop top tier LT protecting our QBs. Other teams have won far more with far less lines. Green Bay comes to mind off the top.

Not saying OL doesn't matter, but it also doesnt doom the season if you can compensate for it with your RB and QB positions.

I think our RBs will find and exploit creases, and just as importantly, I think Keenum showed up in Minnesota that he can guide an offense behind a weaker OL.

We may not be an offensive juggernaut with Penn at LT, but we are not going to be a deadzone either.

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Meh. I hear where you are coming from but I've watched this team forever and if we cant pass block, we ain't winning 4 games.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

Meh. I hear where you are coming from but I've watched this team forever and if we cant pass block, we ain't winning 4 games.

Pass blocking in the regular season is different from in the preseason. In the preseason, you didn't see chip blocks or protection schemes designed to aid the team's weakness. You saw each player going one on one and putting on tape their strengths and weaknesses for our coaching staff. You also saw Haskins and Keenum practicing play action on every handoff, but I don't think we saw many real play action passes.

The point is, the pass blocking will be aided by many different things, and the offense has enough potent weapons to give the defense pause from pinning their ears back and going for the qb on 1st and 2nd. Now when we end up in 3rd and long because Flowers or Reed held, then the drives will be killed.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Pass blocking in the regular season is different from in the preseason. In the preseason, you didn't see chip blocks or protection schemes designed to aid the team's weakness. You saw each player going one on one and putting on tape their strengths and weaknesses for our coaching staff. You also saw Haskins and Keenum practicing play action on every handoff, but I don't think we saw many real play action passes.



The point is, the pass blocking will be aided by many different things, and the offense has enough potent weapons to give the defense pause from pinning their ears back and going for the qb on 1st and 2nd. Now when we end up in 3rd and long because Flowers or Reed held, then the drives will be killed.

Good assessment. Your last line is where I am at. There us no way Flowers isn't going to get someone hurt, end up on Cmon Man for being generally terrible and making us all question why he is playing after week 2.