Portis Agrees to $51M Deal With Redskins

Defensewins · 03-01-2004, 06:02 PM

Still cheaper than the $50M six year deal tha Champ Bailey is set sign with Denver. I think we got a better cap deal than Denver.

RedskinRat · 03-01-2004, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Still cheaper than the $50M six year deal tha Champ Bailey is set sign with Denver. I think we got a better cap deal than Denver.

That was the first thing that struck me about the deal, less than we'd offered Bailey. Nice. This puts us in a much stronger position.

Daseal · 03-01-2004, 06:06 PM

Sadistic, you guys have a pretty good RB, and I feel bad for Jaron, I thought he was finally turning it around. The A-Train came on late in the year, I think he'll do better next year.

Hail to the Redskins · 03-01-2004, 08:49 PM

The 4 reasons I don't know if I like this deal...

1) The 2nd round pick. It should be a straight up swap.

2) We didn't HAVE to do this contract right now. Why not wait until AFTER free agency, then say, hey, thsi is all we have left to offer right now, Clint'? With what he was set to be paiod, he would have settled for FAR less, just to pay off his Hummer2!

...and the one no one has mentioned yet...

3) Rosenhaus is Jevon Kearse's agent. We just upped his asking price by overpaying Portis. Kearse is already asking for too much and we certainly didn't help ourselves negotiate a lower price for him.

4) Salary Cap? Am i the ignorant one here or... isn't overpaying for a 34-year old, possible BACKUP QB, having the highest paid running back in NFL history, and signing a "fragile" DE who wants an 18 million dollar signing bonus NOT going to absolutely KILL us in 2-3-4 years?? Or do we just not give a dman about the future??

The two reasons I am OK with it...

His deal IS cheaper than what we offered Champ AND it is 8 years long... meaning, he COULD be our man, our legend, our all-time great RB for the next 8 years! (I believe that would be the longest tenure of any 'Skins back in team history).... I hope it works out as such.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2004, 08:54 PM

I acutally did mention that Kearse's agent is Drew Rosenhaus. What I said however, was that I am hoping that there is a quid pro quo and we get Kearse for $25 over three years.

RFKRat · 03-01-2004, 11:18 PM

Here is my take:

1) I agree, I don't like giving up the second rounder...but a) since Champ would have been out of here for nothing at some point, I can live with getting a potential 2,000 yard RB in return. b) I'm hoping the Skins move someone to get the 2nd (or a 3rd rounder) back and c) the bottom line is we're getting an awesome offensive weapon and I can overlook the pick going.

2) We didn't have to do the contract, but I'm glad we did. This means Portis won't bring any baggage or negative feelings about getting his contract worked out. We're showing we wanted him here, he's got to like that and be enthusiastic to play here.

3) Is Kearse really someone to go ape over? If he's healthy he'd be a great pickup, but with his injury problems there might be other options out there...maybe the Skins have already passed him over...who knows?

4) I'm going to trust that the Redskins know what they're doing with the Cap.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2004, 11:29 PM

I am sort of hoping (sort of because I LOVE Taylor) that we trade down to grab Will Smith or Kenechi Udeze in the middle of the first round instead of getting Kearse. I think two good DTs like Cornelius Griffin and Rod Coleman will help our pass rush. Udeze and Smith are pass rush specialists and though they are going to be rookies, I have VERY mixed feelings about getting Kearse in FA.

Hopefully the Skins will protect themselves with Kearse by having an incentive based bonus option (i.e. he's got to start in 14 games per season to get 100% of the bonus) if they do pick him up.

beg8878 · 03-02-2004, 12:22 AM

I don't undrstand how some people are worried about the ramifacations of this Portis deal on the salary cap 4 or 5 years down the road...are you people kiding me??? we have made the playoffs once in 12 years, haven't even sniffed them for the past 3. so our offense picks up a 22 year old franchise back who is only the 3rd player to rush for 3,000 yards out the gate and some people don't like it??????

We picked these players up, and still managed to be $13m under the cap...stop worrying about 4-5 years form now and lets make a run at another Super Bowl while we still have Gibbs to lead us there. I'll worry about the future after I finish my glass of champagne while looking at Gibbs hoist the Lombardi Trophy over his head

SmootSmack · 03-02-2004, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by beg8878

I don't undrstand how some people are worried about the ramifacations of this Portis deal on the salary cap 4 or 5 years down the road...are you people kiding me??? we have made the playoffs once in 12 years, haven't even sniffed them for the past 3. so our offense picks up a 22 year old franchise back who is only the 3rd player to rush for 3,000 yards out the gate and some people don't like it??????

We picked these players up, and still managed to be $13m under the cap...stop worrying about 4-5 years form now and lets make a run at another Super Bowl while we still have Gibbs to lead us there. I'll worry about the future after I finish my glass of champagne while looking at Gibbs hoist the Lombardi Trophy over his head

I completely agree. There is so much parity in the league and every year a new team emerges, lately though it's never the Redskins. Why not make a run now? We shouldn't be worried about what might happen to Portis and his contract five or six years down the road.

MTK · 03-02-2004, 09:31 AM

Would anyone not be willing to trade a Super Bowl title for cap problems 4-5 years down the road??

That being said I don't think there will be significant cap problems down the road. Snyder has been spending like this since he got here, and we were supposed to already be in cap hell. Yet when you take a look around the league, there are many teams in much, much worse shape cap wise year in and year out. And the 'Skins are sitting here at $11M under. Go figure.

skinsfanthru&thru · 03-02-2004, 12:30 AM

as far as freeing up cap room, does anyone know if any progress has been made for getting samuels to restructure his contract or his his agent still saying nothing's changing until ramsey is traded? we need to free up atleast 4-5 million from his 8+ million dollor cap figure this year. I think we honestly won't have to pay Kearse an extrodinary amount of money and I think some people are not really seeing how much he wants to play for Williams again. I mean he was talking about signing with him before this past season began and I think that bargaining chip will help out immensely. and if that fails winstrom is cheaper and only a slightly lower grade of talent, leaving cap room to sign some of the underrated tackles like coleman and smith. and anyone making the comparisions to portis' and davis' contract a few years ago need to remember that davis' was only one year longer but over 40 million more in the contract. and that was when davis was in his late 20's if I remember right. the cap figures will probably be nowhere similar and like it was said on here before, because he was given this contract when it didn't need to be done should show Portis he is wanted by the organization and might be more open to redoing his contract down the road if need be.

03-01-2004, 08:49 PM	#4
Hail to the Redskins The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,687	The 4 reasons I don't know if I like this deal... 1) The 2nd round pick. It should be a straight up swap. 2) We didn't HAVE to do this contract right now. Why not wait until AFTER free agency, then say, hey, thsi is all we have left to offer right now, Clint'? With what he was set to be paiod, he would have settled for FAR less, just to pay off his Hummer2! ...and the one no one has mentioned yet... 3) Rosenhaus is Jevon Kearse's agent. We just upped his asking price by overpaying Portis. Kearse is already asking for too much and we certainly didn't help ourselves negotiate a lower price for him. 4) Salary Cap? Am i the ignorant one here or... isn't overpaying for a 34-year old, possible BACKUP QB, having the highest paid running back in NFL history, and signing a "fragile" DE who wants an 18 million dollar signing bonus NOT going to absolutely KILL us in 2-3-4 years?? Or do we just not give a dman about the future?? The two reasons I am OK with it... His deal IS cheaper than what we offered Champ AND it is 8 years long... meaning, he COULD be our man, our legend, our all-time great RB for the next 8 years! (I believe that would be the longest tenure of any 'Skins back in team history).... I hope it works out as such. __________________ “Sometimes it is not enough to our best; we must do what is required.” - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

03-02-2004, 12:22 AM	#8
beg8878 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 47 Posts: 270	I don't undrstand how some people are worried about the ramifacations of this Portis deal on the salary cap 4 or 5 years down the road...are you people kiding me??? we have made the playoffs once in 12 years, haven't even sniffed them for the past 3. so our offense picks up a 22 year old franchise back who is only the 3rd player to rush for 3,000 yards out the gate and some people don't like it?????? We picked these players up, and still managed to be $13m under the cap...stop worrying about 4-5 years form now and lets make a run at another Super Bowl while we still have Gibbs to lead us there. I'll worry about the future after I finish my glass of champagne while looking at Gibbs hoist the Lombardi Trophy over his head Last edited by beg8878; 03-02-2004 at 12:26 AM.

03-02-2004, 09:31 AM	#10
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Would anyone not be willing to trade a Super Bowl title for cap problems 4-5 years down the road?? That being said I don't think there will be significant cap problems down the road. Snyder has been spending like this since he got here, and we were supposed to already be in cap hell. Yet when you take a look around the league, there are many teams in much, much worse shape cap wise year in and year out. And the 'Skins are sitting here at $11M under. Go figure. Last edited by MTK; 03-02-2004 at 09:33 AM.

03-01-2004, 06:02 PM	#1
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Still cheaper than the $50M six year deal tha Champ Bailey is set sign with Denver. I think we got a better cap deal than Denver.

03-01-2004, 06:06 PM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Sadistic, you guys have a pretty good RB, and I feel bad for Jaron, I thought he was finally turning it around. The A-Train came on late in the year, I think he'll do better next year.

03-01-2004, 08:54 PM	#5
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	I acutally did mention that Kearse's agent is Drew Rosenhaus. What I said however, was that I am hoping that there is a quid pro quo and we get Kearse for $25 over three years.

03-01-2004, 11:18 PM	#6
RFKRat Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 105	Here is my take: 1) I agree, I don't like giving up the second rounder...but a) since Champ would have been out of here for nothing at some point, I can live with getting a potential 2,000 yard RB in return. b) I'm hoping the Skins move someone to get the 2nd (or a 3rd rounder) back and c) the bottom line is we're getting an awesome offensive weapon and I can overlook the pick going. 2) We didn't have to do the contract, but I'm glad we did. This means Portis won't bring any baggage or negative feelings about getting his contract worked out. We're showing we wanted him here, he's got to like that and be enthusiastic to play here. 3) Is Kearse really someone to go ape over? If he's healthy he'd be a great pickup, but with his injury problems there might be other options out there...maybe the Skins have already passed him over...who knows? 4) I'm going to trust that the Redskins know what they're doing with the Cap.

03-01-2004, 11:29 PM	#7
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	I am sort of hoping (sort of because I LOVE Taylor) that we trade down to grab Will Smith or Kenechi Udeze in the middle of the first round instead of getting Kearse. I think two good DTs like Cornelius Griffin and Rod Coleman will help our pass rush. Udeze and Smith are pass rush specialists and though they are going to be rookies, I have VERY mixed feelings about getting Kearse in FA. Hopefully the Skins will protect themselves with Kearse by having an incentive based bonus option (i.e. he's got to start in 14 games per season to get 100% of the bonus) if they do pick him up.

03-02-2004, 12:30 AM	#11
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 45 Posts: 3,814	as far as freeing up cap room, does anyone know if any progress has been made for getting samuels to restructure his contract or his his agent still saying nothing's changing until ramsey is traded? we need to free up atleast 4-5 million from his 8+ million dollor cap figure this year. I think we honestly won't have to pay Kearse an extrodinary amount of money and I think some people are not really seeing how much he wants to play for Williams again. I mean he was talking about signing with him before this past season began and I think that bargaining chip will help out immensely. and if that fails winstrom is cheaper and only a slightly lower grade of talent, leaving cap room to sign some of the underrated tackles like coleman and smith. and anyone making the comparisions to portis' and davis' contract a few years ago need to remember that davis' was only one year longer but over 40 million more in the contract. and that was when davis was in his late 20's if I remember right. the cap figures will probably be nowhere similar and like it was said on here before, because he was given this contract when it didn't need to be done should show Portis he is wanted by the organization and might be more open to redoing his contract down the road if need be.

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