Scared To Win!

[jdlea]

I agreed with your post up until the shot at Portis. He had a good game aside from the 2 fumbles. So...let's look at the fumbles. The first lead to 3 points...that didn't break the team's back. What killed the Skins was the 23 yard run he had called back right before the fumble.

The second, I remember happening, but I don't remember if the Raiders scored on the ensuing possession, while I believe they did, they shouldn't have. They took over at like their own 35 or 40. The D should have been able to stop them from scoring. In addition, I am of the belief that Clinton was down and the play should have been challenged, but that really doesn't matter now.

Finally, I would like to know what your solution to the "problem" with Clinton Portis would be. Start Ladell Betts who got hurt again? What about last week when Portis averaged around 6 yards a carry? He averaged over 4 this week, which isn't bad, he just had 2 giveaways, I know that hurt, but that's a particularly bad day. Niether of them killed the team. The D just needed to step up more than they did, and I agree that Joe should be putting teams away, but he plays tenative.

[jdlea]

BTW, I was just looking at some stats and while the 2 fumbles by Portis did really hurt the team, I would like to point his 2 fumbles today were numbers 2 and 3 on the year! And Ladell, in limited action, has had 2, both of which he lost.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I agreed with your post up until the shot at Portis. He had a good game aside from the 2 fumbles. So...let's look at the fumbles. The first lead to 3 points...that didn't break the team's back. What killed the Skins was the 23 yard run he had called back right before the fumble.

The second, I remember happening, but I don't remember if the Raiders scored on the ensuing possession, while I believe they did, they shouldn't have. They took over at like their own 35 or 40. The D should have been able to stop them from scoring. In addition, I am of the belief that Clinton was down and the play should have been challenged, but that really doesn't matter now.

Finally, I would like to know what your solution to the "problem" with Clinton Portis would be. Start Ladell Betts who got hurt again? What about last week when Portis averaged around 6 yards a carry? He averaged over 4 this week, which isn't bad, he just had 2 giveaways, I know that hurt, but that's a particularly bad day. Niether of them killed the team. The D just needed to step up more than they did, and I agree that Joe should be putting teams away, but he plays tenative.

I think we have seen something that has been discussed but not at length. Clinton Portis is not a work-horse RB. He's getting tired and because Cartwright isn't either and Betts injured, he was forced to handle to workload and thus fumbled twice. I have seen him in the past take himself out of the game to get a breather. I think we activate the rookie Nehemiah Broughton. He looked damn good in preseason and every NFC team has given their rookie RBs playing time. It's time to change the RBs situation and put Sellers in as a blocker in the I formation. We have to get Jimmy Farris in camp and sign him. This Rich Parson looked like he was still in preseason.

[jdlea]

I agree with those points. I would also agree that maybe Portis isn't a workhorse type back. He's certainly not the prototypical workhorse. I think they do need a spell back like Betts, I was just hoping that we weren't going to get back to the "Betts should start" arguements.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I agreed with your post up until the shot at Portis. He had a good game aside from the 2 fumbles. So...let's look at the fumbles. The first lead to 3 points...that didn't break the team's back. What killed the Skins was the 23 yard run he had called back right before the fumble.

The second, I remember happening, but I don't remember if the Raiders scored on the ensuing possession, while I believe they did, they shouldn't have. They took over at like their own 35 or 40. The D should have been able to stop them from scoring. In addition, I am of the belief that Clinton was down and the play should have been challenged, but that really doesn't matter now.

Finally, I would like to know what your solution to the "problem" with Clinton Portis would be. Start Ladell Betts who got hurt again? What about last week when Portis averaged around 6 yards a carry? He averaged over 4 this week, which isn't bad, he just had 2 giveaways, I know that hurt, but that's a particularly bad day. Niether of them killed the team. The D just needed to step up more than they did, and I agree that Joe should be putting teams away, but he plays tenative.

I have alway's felt that Betts was a better fit for us than Portis, but the reality is the guy can't stay healthy, his best position is as a quality backup. My actual solution to the Portis problem is well documented, it was not to trade for him in the first place, Shawn Alexander could have been had for less than what we gave up for Portis and a much better fit for Gibbs, or we could have used draft pick's for either Kevin Jones, or Stephen Jackson, I really liked Julius Jones as well coming out, but he seems to be a lot like Betts at this point, very good when healthy.

But that's water under the bridge now, we have to fix what we have, and the only way to do that is to use Portis on draw after draw, that's where he is best, allowing the defense to come up field and then let him use his speed and cutting ability to take advantage of that, it doesn't seem our line has really grasped the zone blocking concept that we were supposed to be running this year, Portis had a nice run that was called back on a zone blocking play, but it seems whenever he has a big gain it's on a draw, or a cut back play, and then we never see it again.

I am not a Portis hater per say, I just didn't see him fitting in to what Gibbs does on offense, Portis can easily recapture his production he had in denver but Gibbs has to change how he uses him on a consistant basis, after a year and a half and he still hasen't adjusted, I don't believe Gibbs will.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

I have alway's felt that Betts was a better fit for us than Portis, but the reality is the guy can't stay healthy, his best position is as a quality backup. My actual solution to the Portis problem is well documented, it was not to trade for him in the first place, Shawn Alexander could have been had for less than what we gave up for Portis and a much better fit for Gibbs, or we could have used draft pick's for either Kevin Jones, or Stephen Jackson, I really liked Julius Jones as well coming out, but he seems to be a lot like Betts at this point, very good when healthy.

But that's water under the bridge now, we have to fix what we have, and the only way to do that is to use Portis on draw after draw, that's where he is best, allowing the defense to come up field and then let him use his speed and cutting ability to take advantage of that, it doesn't seem our line has really grasped the zone blocking concept that we were supposed to be running this year, Portis had a nice run that was called back on a zone blocking play, but it seems whenever he has a big gain it's on a draw, or a cut back play, and then we never see it again.

I am not a Portis hater per say, I just didn't see him fitting in to what Gibbs does on offense, Portis can easily recapture his production he had in denver but Gibbs has to change how he uses him on a consistant basis, after a year and a half and he still hasen't adjusted, I don't believe Gibbs will.

Kevin Jones isn't exactly tearing things up. Then again, he is with Detroit. But I recall you being pretty happy with the trade when Portis was traded. Granted, not with the contract but with what he could do under a Gibbs offense.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Kevin Jones isn't exactly tearing things up. Then again, he is with Detroit. But I recall you being pretty happy with the trade when Portis was traded. Granted, not with the contract but with what he could do under a Gibbs offense.

You should recall a little harder because your a million miles off base with that statement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

You should recall a little harder because your a million miles off base with that statement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...27&postcount=5

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...27&postcount=5

OOOOUUUUUCCCCHHH!!!!! That hurt!!!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...27&postcount=5

That 20/20 hindsight got a little cloudy? I did not..................have sex .........with that woman!!!!!! That you Bill? How bout' them Razorbacks!!!!

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...27&postcount=5

Jordan fades back, SWOOSH....AND THATS THE GAME. No further questions, your honor.

[NY_Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...27&postcount=5

priceless....

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...27&postcount=5

Ba-Zing!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...27&postcount=5

What else is new did you bother to pull up the posts I made before the trade came down? No! because you only want to post what you want to hear, you know darn well I was dead set against the trade before it happened and insisted Portis was a system back time and again, and that for him to succeed we would have to institute the denver style blocking system, yes all before the trade was made, and you know it, you just didn't want to put it up there I wonder why? I said I believed Portis could run the counter trey as effective as our other 3rd down backs but wasen't an everydown type back for Gibbs system and the fact is you know those posts are out there, and yes before the trade, once the trade happened you hope for the best, but the fact is I alway's maintained I didn't like the trade and didn't want it, and you just refuse to put up post after post saying that, do me a favor if your incapable of putting up the whole truth then don't post any!

Whats the matter you couldn't fit every link backing my statement that I never wanted Portis on 1 page?

It's good to know you pay so much attention to what I have to say, kind of funny I never really gave your opinions a second thought that's how informative you are about football, must kill you to be such a fan and really have no real knowledge of the game, you were probably 1 heck of a cheerleader in your day.

I guess it's eating you up that I was right about Portis from the get go.

1 post trying to find something to hang our hat's on with that trade doesn't trump or erase a 100 saying otherwise, why don't you post them if you really are looking to find truth?

Bottom line my statement was I didn't want him to begin with, pull up some posts before the trade, and see what I was saying. we both know what they will say because if they said otherwise you would have posted them.

I do have to admit though Portis isn't remotly as good as I had hoped to give him credit for in that post, glad to see your still on the Portis band wagon though, that is until Gibbs tells you to think otherwise!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

What else is new did you bother to pull up the posts I made before the trade came down? No! because you only want to post what you want to hear, you know darn well I was dead set against the trade before it happened and insisted Portis was a system back time and again, and that for him to succeed we would have to institute the denver style blocking system, yes all before the trade was made, and you know it, you just didn't want to put it up there I wonder why? I said I believed Portis could run the counter trey as effective as our other 3rd down backs but wasen't an everydown type back for Gibbs system and the fact is you know those posts are out there, and yes before the trade, once the trade happened you hope for the best, but the fact is I alway's maintained I didn't like the trade and didn't want it, and you just refuse to put up post after post saying that, do me a favor if your incapable of putting up the whole truth then don't post any!

Whats the matter you couldn't fit every link backing my statement that I never wanted Portis on 1 page?

It's good to know you pay so much attention to what I have to say, kind of funny I never really gave your opinions a second thought that's how informative you are about football, must kill you to be such a fan and really have no real knowledge of the game, you were probably 1 heck of a cheerleader in your day.

I guess it's eating you up that I was right about Portis from the get go.

1 post trying to find something to hang our hat's on with that trade doesn't trump or erase a 100 saying otherwise, why don't you post them if you really are looking to find truth?

Bottom line my statement was I didn't want him to begin with, pull up some posts before the trade, and see what I was saying. we both know what they will say because if they said otherwise you would have posted them.

I do have to admit though Portis isn't remotly as good as I had hoped to give him credit for in that post, glad to see your still on the Portis band wagon though, that is until Gibbs tells you to think otherwise!

You say time and time again how you're so smart and you know it all. And you always said this and said that. And everything is well documented and you're right....it is well documented. Such as in the post I linked where you say that Gibbs is the perfect fit for a Gibbs offense. I don't see the term "denver system" anywhere in there. I don't deny that you were against getting him. I know you were. http://thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=367&postcount=65

But being against the trade isn't the same as saying Portis wouldn't fit in this offense. There are plenty of people I'm sure who would say that Brunell fits well with this offense, but it wasn't worth the money and 3rd rounder?

Like everyone else on this site I know plenty about football. But more importantly, I, like everyone else, knows there's a lot that I still have to learn. And we're not afraid to admit it when we're wrong. We're not so insecure that we can't. Well all of us, except for one person. Wonder who that is?

But, in an effort to ease the tension here I will take off my moderator cap for a minute and I'd like to sing you a song