The gun debate

Chico23231 · 12-20-2019, 01:24 PM

Yeah while suicides are terrible, it’s misleading in the gun debate.

mooby · 12-20-2019, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah while suicides are terrible, it’s misleading in the gun debate.

I get what you're saying, but if the angle is that restricting guns isn't the answer to the gun problem America has, then your answer is that mental health needs to be taken more seriously. Mental health is a big factor in mass shootings and suicides.

Buffalo Bob · 12-20-2019, 02:50 PM

A topic that seems to have no middle ground. It seems like most are dug in and won't budge. 40 years ago when mass shootings were rare, that is when I turned 18 and bought my first gun, a 357 magnum. Went in to a Big 5 sporting goods, picked one out of the case, handed over the cash, showed my driver's license, signed by my name and address in a book and gave a thumb print. Out the door with a handgun and a couple 100 rounds of ammunition in less than 10 minutes. That was in California to boot.

Guns are much harder to come by now yet mass shootings are common place, and suicides by young people are way up from decades ago. Probably a little bit of everything is causing it, but it isn't the gun, they have been around for centuries. I would look toward mental health as a big issue, back in the day when suicides were lower and mass shootings were rare you didn't have every other kid diagnosed with ADHD and medicated. I have known people who had 3 kids that were all on pills. I noticed people blame bullying a lot, bullies have been around longer than guns.

The difference in gun and hunting laws between California and Virginia is night and day, California became more and more restrictive as the decades passed. In California you can't even legally kill a rattlesnake that is on your property. In Caroline County Va you can pretty much kill anything on your property that isn't human if it can be considered a pest. My neighbor called the county and said there was a beaver that was damning up a nearby creek which flooded his garden. the guy who answered the phone asked my neighbor if he owned a rifle. Considering the night and day difference between California and Virginia gun laws, the rate of crimes committed by guns are very similar. In California even a private party gun sale has to be brokered through a licensed dealer and held for a waiting period. In Virginia I can meet someone in a parking lot and if they have a state I.D. sell them a gun on the spot.

I think the only gun laws that could lower homicides is a nation wide red flag law, but most people on the right are dead set against that. Wide spread stop and frisk would catch a lot of ex-felons with guns that should not have them, most people are against that. Some people just think government agencies will abuse any extra power they get. Pretty sure cops will be stop and frisking known gang bangers and people suspected of selling drugs, not frisking people leaving church on Sunday.

Giantone · 03-09-2020, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah while suicides are terrible, it’s misleading in the gun debate.

NO it isn't . If mental health is an issue(and it is) doesn't matter if the gunman is taking their own lifes or anyone else's.............it's a problem.

Buffalo Bob · 03-09-2020, 07:45 PM

So now we are blaming guns for suicides? A person hell bent on killing themselves isn't going to decide not to do it if their method of choice isn't immediately handy, they are either going to wait to acquire the items to execute their method of choice or switch to plan B.

While firearms are used in half of suicides, suffocation and poisoning account for the next 40%. There is no correlation between the availability of guns to the suicide rate, that one is easy to look up.

Giantone · 03-09-2020, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

So now we are blaming guns for suicides? A person hell bent on killing themselves isn't going to decide not to do it if their method of choice isn't immediately handy, they are either going to wait to acquire the items to execute their method of choice or switch to plan B.

While firearms are used in half of suicides, suffocation and poisoning account for the next 40%. There is no correlation between the availability of guns to the suicide rate, that one is easy to look up.

Please learn to read and stop your sky is falling attitude. There are mental health issues that must be addressed and yes suicides (some of them) are a direct result of having access to guns while in a bad mental state as are many mass shootings . Correct?

Buffalo Bob · 03-09-2020, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Please learn to read and stop your sky is falling attitude. There are mental health issues that must be addressed and yes suicides (some of them) are a direct result of having access to guns while in a bad mental state as are many mass shootings . Correct?

It seems you are one of those people that think the louder they yell and more they insult people the more righteous they are. Suicides are not the direct result of access to guns, could you make a more stupid statement? Gun access has became more difficult as suicides have risen. I don't think you are as out of touch with reality as you project, you just get joy out of trying to annoy people. You constantly deny facts and statistics. I would like to see someone come out and say they will never think of suicide again because on the days they wanted to kill themselves a gun wasn't handy.
Where the hell do you get all the moronic crap you come up with? Please go back to obsessing over Trump 24-7 as you do.

Giantone · 03-09-2020, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

It seems you are one of those people that think the louder they yell and more they insult people the more righteous they are. Suicides are not the direct result of access to guns, could you make a more stupid statement? Gun access has became more difficult as suicides have risen. I don't think you are as out of touch with reality as you project, you just get joy out of trying to annoy people. You constantly deny facts and statistics. I would like to see someone come out and say they will never think of suicide again because on the days they wanted to kill themselves a gun wasn't handy.
Where the hell do you get all the moronic crap you come up with? Please go back to obsessing over Trump 24-7 as you do.

Again you're bitching and no facts.You seriously have a reading comprehension problem. When you know your wrong you pull out your trump crybaby card.

Buffalo Bob · 03-09-2020, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Again you're bitching and no facts.You seriously have a reading comprehension problem. When you know your wrong you pull out your trump crybaby card.

Go fuck off and die,. you know I do not like Trump you are just trying to be the pathetic annoying piece of crap that you are. You are a pathetic loser.

Giantone · 03-10-2020, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

It seems you are one of those people that think the louder they yell and more they insult people the more righteous they are. Suicides are not the direct result of access to guns, could you make a more stupid statement? Gun access has became more difficult as suicides have risen. I don't think you are as out of touch with reality as you project, you just get joy out of trying to annoy people. You constantly deny facts and statistics. I would like to see someone come out and say they will never think of suicide again because on the days they wanted to kill themselves a gun wasn't handy.
Where the hell do you get all the moronic crap you come up with? Please go back to obsessing over Trump 24-7 as you do.

Yup, read it again and still not one fact in it.

12-20-2019, 01:24 PM	#1
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12-20-2019, 02:50 PM	#3
Buffalo Bob The Starter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Beaverdam Virginia Age: 64 Posts: 2,137	Re: The gun debate A topic that seems to have no middle ground. It seems like most are dug in and won't budge. 40 years ago when mass shootings were rare, that is when I turned 18 and bought my first gun, a 357 magnum. Went in to a Big 5 sporting goods, picked one out of the case, handed over the cash, showed my driver's license, signed by my name and address in a book and gave a thumb print. Out the door with a handgun and a couple 100 rounds of ammunition in less than 10 minutes. That was in California to boot. Guns are much harder to come by now yet mass shootings are common place, and suicides by young people are way up from decades ago. Probably a little bit of everything is causing it, but it isn't the gun, they have been around for centuries. I would look toward mental health as a big issue, back in the day when suicides were lower and mass shootings were rare you didn't have every other kid diagnosed with ADHD and medicated. I have known people who had 3 kids that were all on pills. I noticed people blame bullying a lot, bullies have been around longer than guns. The difference in gun and hunting laws between California and Virginia is night and day, California became more and more restrictive as the decades passed. In California you can't even legally kill a rattlesnake that is on your property. In Caroline County Va you can pretty much kill anything on your property that isn't human if it can be considered a pest. My neighbor called the county and said there was a beaver that was damning up a nearby creek which flooded his garden. the guy who answered the phone asked my neighbor if he owned a rifle. Considering the night and day difference between California and Virginia gun laws, the rate of crimes committed by guns are very similar. In California even a private party gun sale has to be brokered through a licensed dealer and held for a waiting period. In Virginia I can meet someone in a parking lot and if they have a state I.D. sell them a gun on the spot. I think the only gun laws that could lower homicides is a nation wide red flag law, but most people on the right are dead set against that. Wide spread stop and frisk would catch a lot of ex-felons with guns that should not have them, most people are against that. Some people just think government agencies will abuse any extra power they get. Pretty sure cops will be stop and frisking known gang bangers and people suspected of selling drugs, not frisking people leaving church on Sunday. Last edited by Buffalo Bob; 12-21-2019 at 04:33 PM.

03-09-2020, 07:45 PM	#5
Buffalo Bob The Starter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Beaverdam Virginia Age: 64 Posts: 2,137	Re: The gun debate So now we are blaming guns for suicides? A person hell bent on killing themselves isn't going to decide not to do it if their method of choice isn't immediately handy, they are either going to wait to acquire the items to execute their method of choice or switch to plan B. While firearms are used in half of suicides, suffocation and poisoning account for the next 40%. There is no correlation between the availability of guns to the suicide rate, that one is easy to look up. Last edited by Buffalo Bob; 03-09-2020 at 08:02 PM.

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