Democratic Primary Push for White House

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Is he not? What is his mission statement other than "I am a successful businessman ala Trump, but I'm not Trump." He's just throwing money at it that he can afford to lose, what solutions is he presenting to any of the problems facing real Americans today?

Also Sunny, I think you're doing a good job trying to reach across the aisle and bridge the gap between us and Chico/Cred, but Chico has a real hard-on for just pointing out media hypocrisy and inaccuracy instead of realizing both sides do that nowadays, both sides are going to keep churning out content anywhere from factual (Reuters/AP in my book) to cherry-picking/media spin (Breitbart/HuffPo). As long as people keep clicking, that's the goal. There's always going to be someone trying to pin blame or use a situation to promote a theory without evidence, and it's never going to change if you keep clicking/posting/sharing.

For the most part I find your positions reasonable, and I agree with most of them. I think we could do a way better job of healthcare in this country, in its' current form it places profit for the medical insurance/tech/supplier industries over human life. I think considering we have seen systems implemented in other first world countries it's reasonable to think we could implement a similar system here, one that doesn't bankrupt people who need major life-saving surgeries or raise the price of insulin/meds 5000% out of pure greed. But it would require winners and losers. Winners would be American citizens (note I didn't say illegals) for not paying $100 for a bag of saline solution in a hospital, or 140 grand for a snakebite needing anti-venom. Losers will be medical insurance for not making profits off healthy Americans who never visit the hospital, or pharma companies not jacking up the price of a life-saving medication 5000%.

I disagree with anyone who wants open borders. But I think families and parents who want to come to America to work hard to provide for their families shouldn't have to wait 10 years to get in. I'm fine taking that wall money and spending it on border agents or technology that makes their jobs easier, but implying it's going to do anything other than make it harder for illegal immigrants to cross is insane. It's not going to slow down Americans' insane appetite for illegal drugs. It's just going to make people pay more money to ride in the trunk of a car at a border crossing, or cross on a boat on the coast at the middle of the night, or pay extra to use a cartel tunnel underneath the border. It will do literally nothing to stop people from overstaying their visa/etc. which is approximately 25% of all illegal immigrants. And unless they build a wall of solid concrete there's a good chance people in Mexico are just going to try and cut through it anyways. If Trump didn't insist on making this a political thing, and instead said "I want to increase funding to the Border Patrol so they can decide the most important areas to build a wall" it would be a lot easier to support.

The housing thing I'm not smart enough to understand a solution to, but I feel like as long as real estate is prioritized as a fantastic money-making opportunity instead of "low-income people need a place to live too" it will always be a problem.

I like Bernie because I think even though solving healthcare is a difficult problem, it's one that needs to be addressed with major changes. I don't care about free public colleges, and I disagree with open borders. The difference is with Trump he will stop at nothing to enact his policies, whether it means pulling money out of anything to build a border wall, or doing it solely via Executive Order instead of doing the proper method through Congress. If Bernie said his main goal is abolishing ICE/CBP but the rest of the Dems totally disagreed with it (obv. you have your AOC's who would support it) it would never happen.

Anyways I think it's a moot point as the mainstream Dems don't support Bernie, and there isn't a single conservative (moderate or extreme) that supports his ideas either. I think the DNC will do anything to make sure he doesn't win the nomination too. And I don't necessarily disagree with that either, our best chance at winning is supporting a candidate that will appeal to moderates who voted for Trump in 2016. And that's not Bernie.

Biden I don't like because he seems out of touch with young people when he talks shit about weed and video games. He needs to realize alienating young people is not the best way to mobilize them to vote for you.

Buttigieg I know nothing about his policy ideas, only that he's gay and was the former mayor of South Bend. He's never going to convince your average straight white male conservative to vote for him though. I think if he won the nomination anti-LGBTQ sentiment would rise from the religious majority on the right.

Warren I don't think is strong enough to stand up to the Trump attacks. We need a candidate who is not going to let the Trump attacks distract from trying to win over swing voters.

I'm not sure who's going to win the nomination, but I feel like it's Biden as he represents the biggest name and the DNC likes him. If he prioritizes responding to Trump attacks over trying to win swing voters he's gonna lose though. One of the key mistakes Hill-dawg made was not campaigning enough in swing states in 2016.

I also have a hard-on for facts as well as Democrats Tulsi Gabbard and Kyrsten Sinema.

You need to look at Klobuchar...she’s a decent candidate.

Here’s my Democratic trash candidate rankings at this time:

1. Warren - lying, pandering, trash who says the dumbest shit like I want a tranny to approve my sec of education. Her lies are some of all time favorites.

2. Bernie - past communist trash, who now masquerades as a socialist. He puts Democratic in front to legitimize an obvious stigma of past national socialist state failures. He’s in favor of the green new deal which is part Marxist and full socialist effort to destroy the free market and make the novel 1984 come to life. He’s not behind any significant legislation as his time as leftist nut case of Congress. What I like about Bernie is he is consistent in ideas except for his bullshit “woke” costume he has to wear thru the primary...it’s laughable to watch.

3. Mayor Pete - he was good at first until he started spewing his bullshit anti religious nonsense. He doesn’t have any experience or idea about foreign policy. I’m loving that lefties are calling him rat face and The Bernie bros hate have legitimized him as a viable candidate.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I also have a hard-on for facts as well as Democrats Tulsi Gabbard and Kyrsten Sinema.

You need to look at Klobuchar...she’s a decent candidate.

Here’s my Democratic trash candidate rankings at this time:

1. Warren - lying, pandering, trash who says the dumbest shit like I want a tranny to approve my sec of education. Her lies are some of all time favorites.

2. Bernie - past communist trash, who now masquerades as a socialist. He puts Democratic in front to legitimize an obvious stigma of past national socialist state failures. He’s in favor of the green new deal which is part Marxist and full socialist effort to destroy the free market and make the novel 1984 come to life. He’s not behind any significant legislation as his time as leftist nut case of Congress. What I like about Bernie is he is consistent in ideas except for his bullshit “woke” costume he has to wear thru the primary...it’s laughable to watch.

3. Mayor Pete - he was good at first until he started spewing his bullshit anti religious nonsense. He doesn’t have any experience or idea about foreign policy. I’m loving that lefties are calling him rat face and The Bernie bros hate have legitimized him as a viable candidate.

So I love me some Bernie I am a Marxist because I believe the vast majority of wealth and social inequality stems from a biased system so I might as well own it. Call me what you want. At this time I don't think he beats Trump. I like Pete I think he is a moderate and if he was straight we might confuse him with John Kasich. I do question whether America is ready for a gay man to be leader of the "free world". I know Cred said fiscal conservatives won't have a problem but I know few fiscal conservatives that don't also have conservative social views as well.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

So I love me some Bernie I am a Marxist because I believe the vast majority of wealth and social inequality stems from a biased system so I might as well own it. Call me what you want. At this time I don't think he beats Trump. I like Pete I think he is a moderate and if he was straight we might confuse him with John Kasich. I do question whether America is ready for a gay man to be leader of the "free world". I know Cred said fiscal conservatives won't have a problem but I know few fiscal conservatives that don't also have conservative social views as well.

I have an honest to god question, would you be calling yourself a Marxist if Hillary would have won the election or is this simply because Trump is President? Really an honest question...because a lot of these sudden swing of people minds just occurred right after Obama left office. So you were a Marxist before when Obama was president? You rallied against his free market principals and the democratic elected practice to put him there as "unjust"?

Did you point to Venezuela as a shimmering light of hope when they were the most robust economy in South America like Bernie did during the Obama presidency and say "this is the way?"

All this bleakness I read about is funny to me because it doesn't cant change the facts that this economy is most the equitable in the history of the country, foreign investment is extremely strong, local and state economies are FLUSH with cash, capitol investment is flowing unlike any time in history, entrepreneurship ability has never been greater, the ability to take risks in startups have never been easier, innovation in this free market is record pace, college grads are coming out making real money, etc.

So when I hear doom and gloom I look at the numbers and simply don't get it...Im trying to pinpoint why...Trump?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I have an honest to god question, would you be calling yourself a Marxist if Hillary would have won the election or is this simply because Trump is President? Really an honest question...because a lot of these sudden swing of people minds just occurred right after Obama left office. So you were a Marxist before when Obama was president? You rallied against his free market principals and the democratic elected practice to put him there as "unjust"?

Did you point to Venezuela as a shimmering light of hope when they were the most robust economy in South America like Bernie did during the Obama presidency and say "this is the way?"

All this bleakness I read about is funny to me because it doesn't cant change the facts that this economy is most the equitable in the history of the country, foreign investment is extremely strong, local and state economies are FLUSH with cash, capitol investment is flowing unlike any time in history, entrepreneurship ability has never been greater, the ability to take risks in startups have never been easier, innovation in this free market is record pace, college grads are coming out making real money, etc.

So when I hear doom and gloom I look at the numbers and simply don't get it...Im trying to pinpoint why...Trump?

I am not sure when I began to consider myself a Marxist, I have always thought that our societal and economic system was biased but I didn't start using the label until people started labeling me as such then I said sure why not.

In terms of most equitable economy ever? Maybe. I do know there is great stress put on the middle class to keep the economy a float. At the same time we are not seeing the influx of services in marginalized communities and that is an indictment on local and state jurisdictions which are a huge part of the problem. Take Baltimore they have invested huge amounts int eh water front neighborhoods which are mostly upper middle class while not developing fully services in more marginalized communities food deserts, recreational opportunities are limited, the powers that be for the City even stopped accepting SNAP at the farmers markets. I am not saying it has to be an even distribution, I am not a communist after all, but I do see how we can improve the quality of life of communities that need it and choose not to.

In terms of Venezuela that is just crazy talk. I don't follow Bernie blindly and he does say things that are extreme. The only thing we should be pointing at Venezuela and saying we should want to incorporate in our society is the glorious amounts of fine tanned female asses.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I am not sure when I began to consider myself a Marxist, I have always thought that our societal and economic system was biased but I didn't start using the label until people started labeling me as such then I said sure why not.

In terms of most equitable economy ever? Maybe. I do know there is great stress put on the middle class to keep the economy a float. At the same time we are not seeing the influx of services in marginalized communities and that is an indictment on local and state jurisdictions which are a huge part of the problem. Take Baltimore they have invested huge amounts int eh water front neighborhoods which are mostly upper middle class while not developing fully services in more marginalized communities food deserts, recreational opportunities are limited, the powers that be for the City even stopped accepting SNAP at the farmers markets. I am not saying it has to be an even distribution, I am not a communist after all, but I do see how we can improve the quality of life of communities that need it and choose not to.

In terms of Venezuela that is just crazy talk. I don't follow Bernie blindly and he does say things that are extreme. The only thing we should be pointing at Venezuela and saying we should want to incorporate in our society is the glorious amounts of fine tanned female asses.

Something I could get behind

intended

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Something I could get behind

intended

The Venezuelan flag

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The Venezuelan flag

I like it but isn't it the wrong thread?