My 1st anti-coaching thread

[Bushead]

Portis is suppose to be making the plays L.T. did today. That is my biggest dissapointment from the coaching staff. They are obviously not using him wisely.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Bushead

Portis is suppose to be making the plays L.T. did today. That is my biggest dissapointment from the coaching staff. They are obviously not using him wisely.

I thought of this driving home today. It's what I've said all along: Portis has been a disappointment. We gave up Champ Bailey and a second round pick for Clinton Portis to do the type of things that L.T. did against us. He hasn't come close. Maybe last year the offensive line wasn't good enough, but with a couple of exceptions, the line is clearly better this time around -- while Portis is just plain average.

He had 3 yards per carry today. And I don't want to hear any crap about the Chargers having a good run-d. The reason we brought Portis in was to beat teams that have a good run-d.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Bushead

Portis is suppose to be making the plays L.T. did today. That is my biggest dissapointment from the coaching staff. They are obviously not using him wisely.

You know bushead, my buddy said the same exact thing. When you have a real RB running the ball it's academics. Portis has done this over and over. He doesn't seem to get stronger down the stretch. He fades into the background after half time. Now what really pisses me off is the fact that Gibbs won't play Nehemiah Broughton or any other RB when Portis is tired. Even Cartwright should have gotten the ball in the fourth quarter.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Bushead

Portis is suppose to be making the plays L.T. did today. That is my biggest dissapointment from the coaching staff. They are obviously not using him wisely.

I came to the conclusion long ago that the Redskins overpaid for Portis by trading Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round pick that the Broncos used to select Tatum Bell. Adding insult to injury, the Danny opened the vault for Portis before he ever played a down for us. He's the 2nd highest paid RB (behind Tomlinson), but he certainly isn't in the same class as L.T., Shawn Alexander, or Edgerrin James. My simplest measure of a money back - can you salt a game away with a 4th quarter lead by handing him the ball again and again? After nearly 2 seasons here, the answer to that is a resounding no.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I came to the conclusion long ago that the Redskins overpaid for Portis by trading Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round pick that the Broncos used to select Tatum Bell. Adding insult to injury, the Danny opened the vault for Portis before he ever played a down for us. He's the 2nd highest paid RB (behind Tomlinson), but he certainly isn't in the same class as L.T., Shawn Alexander, or Edgerrin James. My simplest measure of a money back - can you salt a game away with a 4th quarter lead by handing him the ball again and again? After nearly 2 seasons here, the answer to that is a resounding no.

Good comparison between Portis and Alexander/James. I heard last week that Portis has not had back-to-back 100-yard games in his two years with the Redskins. He's a gamer, but he's playing well below his potential.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Good comparison between Portis and Alexander/James. I heard last week that Portis has not had back-to-back 100-yard games in his two years with the Redskins. He's a gamer, but he's playing well below his potential.

The running game doesnt work because we cant stretch the field... saftey's can play up linebackers too... I dont think we threw even 1 pass all day longer 15 yards ..i'm not talking R.A.C just plain deep pass....they dont have to respect the deep pass at all....so you just pack everyone up..... Thats the problem

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

The running game doesnt work because we cant stretch the field... saftey's can play up linebackers too... I dont think we threw even 1 pass all day longer 15 yards ..i'm not talking R.A.C just plain deep pass....they dont have to respect the deep pass at all....so you just pack everyone up..... Thats the problem

I agree, that's one of the problems.. I would like to see Brunell take a 7 step drop and throw a fly pattern once in a while, if for nothing more than to show that we are willing to take that chance.. You never know when you are going to get a 30 yd pass interference penalty or what may happen.. But I do know that when you throw a 5 yd hitch on 3rd & 7, that means PUNT TEAM...

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I agree, that's one of the problems.. I would like to see Brunell take a 7 step drop and throw a fly pattern once in a while, if for nothing more than to show that we are willing to take that chance.. You never know when you are going to get a 30 yd pass interference penalty or what may happen.. But I do know that when you throw a 5 yd hitch on 3rd & 7, that means PUNT TEAM...

Normally I'd agree with you. But whom exactly was Brunell supposed to hit for big plays? The phantom wideout deep the secondary or to Moss who is getting doubled?

As has been pointed out before by TAFKAS and others, last week people were saying Gibbs was dumb for not running out the clock in a very similar game. This week, Gibbs is dumb for trying to run the clock out.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Normally I'd agree with you. But whom exactly was Brunell supposed to hit for big plays? The phantom wideout deep the secondary or to Moss who is getting doubled?

As has been pointed out before by TAFKAS and others, last week people were saying Gibbs was dumb for not running out the clock in a very similar game. This week, Gibbs is dumb for trying to run the clock out.

Do we not have anyone other than Moss who is capable of running straight up the sideline? I guess I just find it hard to believe that we have 4-5 WR on the roster and only one knows how to run a fly pattern.. I think it's perfectly fine on a 2nd and less than 5 to run a play that you run a WR on a fly pattern and that's your only read.. If he's open, you hit him, if not you still throw deep but you throw it out of bounds.. That lets the defense know that you are able and willing to throw it deep down the field.. Sometimes you hit the big play, sometimes you get a penalty and sometimes you just get an incompletion but the same criticism that we had last year of the 'dink and dunk' offense is back.. Moss has made big plays because of his run after the catch skills, but since the SF game how many deep balls down the sideline have we seen thrown?

As I titled the thread, I have not been critical of coaching this season on this forum until yesterday so I can't speak on what was said before this week but I'm fed up with what I've been seeing.. Regardless of the clock and situation, absent a 2 TD lead and less than 4 minutes remaining, attack and be balanced. Obviously our current defense cannot hold a 2 score lead in the 4th quarter, so we need more than points than that to win.. That's what I would like to see..

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Normally I'd agree with you. But whom exactly was Brunell supposed to hit for big plays? The phantom wideout deep the secondary or to Moss who is getting doubled?

As has been pointed out before by TAFKAS and others, last week people were saying Gibbs was dumb for not running out the clock in a very similar game. This week, Gibbs is dumb for trying to run the clock out.

So It gets picked off ...at least they have to respect that! And Hell a 40 - 50 yard punt is better than our punter could do yesterday

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I agree, that's one of the problems.. I would like to see Brunell take a 7 step drop and throw a fly pattern once in a while, if for nothing more than to show that we are willing to take that chance.. You never know when you are going to get a 30 yd pass interference penalty or what may happen.. But I do know that when you throw a 5 yd hitch on 3rd & 7, that means PUNT TEAM...

Another thing I've seen the last few weeks, is Brunell on what appears to be a deep pass attempt on third and 2. Nobody's open, and Brunell throws it 15 yards out of bounds. So instead of trying to get just 5 to 7 yards on third and short, we have to punt. There's ill-timed deep pass atttempts too. That's not bad execution, that's bad playcalling.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I came to the conclusion long ago that the Redskins overpaid for Portis by trading Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round pick that the Broncos used to select Tatum Bell. Adding insult to injury, the Danny opened the vault for Portis before he ever played a down for us. He's the 2nd highest paid RB (behind Tomlinson), but he certainly isn't in the same class as L.T., Shawn Alexander, or Edgerrin James. My simplest measure of a money back - can you salt a game away with a 4th quarter lead by handing him the ball again and again? After nearly 2 seasons here, the answer to that is a resounding no.

You should post more often. Those last two sentences are all anyone should need as proof that Clinton Portis hasn't been close what we really wanted from him. After being handed the ball 29 times, that's usually the mark of a team that winds up in the win column.