Skins getting heat again over name issue

AnonEmouse · 06-08-2020, 08:57 AM

Just the viewpoint from an educated Brit with a mixed race family. Don't shoot me down, these are just musings, and as I'm a) not an American and b) I picked the Skins when the sport became popular in the UK, I have less of a vested interest.

I can't help thinking this is a minority of parties stirring the pot up every year or so. I mean, if you want to get into semantics and imagery, maybe the retort is "well rename/image the Patriots then too?". I mean you can easily argue that their name and logo (especially the old one) implied that only white men can be patriots. I don't believe that was the intent but it's a valid argument.

Having spent nearly a day next to a blue collar native American on a Greyhound bus discussing it among a few topics, I got the distinct impression he felt that most NA's would suggest they have far more/bigger issues than the naming of one sports team. If I recall, and it was quite a while ago, he said that maybe if there was a mass protest or the like then they should change it, but he would rather the effort go into improving job opportunities etc. than changing a brand name.

Unlike Rocnrik, I'd still follow the team, but I can see both sides of the coin. It can be construed as derogatory in a historical context, but it can also be construed as celebrating a people that should be proud of their heritage that was all but destroyed. If they did change the name, I'd have no issue as long as the new name carried that same message of pride in a culture rich in heritage.

punch it in · 06-08-2020, 05:00 PM

Change it to Skins....its what we call em anyway. It goes from racist to all encompassing.

rocnrik · 06-08-2020, 08:10 PM

I call them that anyways... just keep logo drop the nickname and let folks call them whatever .. hopefully in the near future we can call them Winners!!

Skinsfanatic · 06-09-2020, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Change it to Skins....its what we call em anyway. It goes from racist to all encompassing.

Works for me. :-)

irish · 06-11-2020, 03:00 PM

As long as they keep the name Redskins its not going to matter what logo is used, its going to be a problem. I wouldn't be surprised if Goodell and the league pressure the Skins to change the name within the next few years. Hopefully when they change the name its not something stupid like the River Dogs.

MTK · 06-11-2020, 03:15 PM

I think the name and logo will both need to go.

Hey Irish you owe me $100 from our bet a few years back lol

sdskinsfan2001 · 06-11-2020, 03:25 PM

If I'm Snyder and I'm forced to change, I'm changing name to:

Washington Manifest Destiny

Logo is a wagon. Alternate, a train.

irish · 06-11-2020, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

I think the name and logo will both need to go.

Hey Irish you owe me $100 from our bet a few years back lol

I thought we had 5 years on that bet. Time cant be going that fast I hope.

MTK · 06-11-2020, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

I thought we had 5 years on that bet. Time cant be going that fast I hope.

Believe it or not we made the bet in 2013

Don't worry about it, just funny that it's been that long

irish · 06-11-2020, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

Believe it or not we made the bet in 2013

Don't worry about it, just funny that it's been that long

Really, 2013!? I thought it was in 2017. Wow.

sdskinsfan2001 · 06-11-2020, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Really, 2013!? I thought it was in 2017. Wow.

Your lucky MTK isn't Morty Seinfeld. If you compound interest that initial 100 quarterly, you would owe him even more now.

MTK · 06-11-2020, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Really, 2013!? I thought it was in 2017. Wow.

Post 43 and 44 here

Ruhskins · 06-11-2020, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

Post 43 and 44 here

Matty with the receipts. LOL!!!

FrenchSkin · 06-11-2020, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTK

Believe it or not we made the bet in 2013

Don't worry about it, just funny that it's been that long

I'll pay you guys a beer is that bet is honored next time I come to DC.

mooby · 06-11-2020, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Matty with the receipts. LOL!!!

Some say that's why Irish hasn't been around the last couple of years lol

View Poll Results: Thoughts on the pending Redskins name change?
It’s time, the name is offensive	4	9.52%
I’m tired of hearing about it so change it	17	40.48%
Keep the name at all costs	16	38.10%
No strong opinion either way	5	11.90%
Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

06-08-2020, 08:57 AM	#31
AnonEmouse Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 59 Posts: 2,648	Re: Skins getting heat again over name issue Just the viewpoint from an educated Brit with a mixed race family. Don't shoot me down, these are just musings, and as I'm a) not an American and b) I picked the Skins when the sport became popular in the UK, I have less of a vested interest. I can't help thinking this is a minority of parties stirring the pot up every year or so. I mean, if you want to get into semantics and imagery, maybe the retort is "well rename/image the Patriots then too?". I mean you can easily argue that their name and logo (especially the old one) implied that only white men can be patriots. I don't believe that was the intent but it's a valid argument. Having spent nearly a day next to a blue collar native American on a Greyhound bus discussing it among a few topics, I got the distinct impression he felt that most NA's would suggest they have far more/bigger issues than the naming of one sports team. If I recall, and it was quite a while ago, he said that maybe if there was a mass protest or the like then they should change it, but he would rather the effort go into improving job opportunities etc. than changing a brand name. Unlike Rocnrik, I'd still follow the team, but I can see both sides of the coin. It can be construed as derogatory in a historical context, but it can also be construed as celebrating a people that should be proud of their heritage that was all but destroyed. If they did change the name, I'd have no issue as long as the new name carried that same message of pride in a culture rich in heritage.

06-08-2020, 05:00 PM	#32
punch it in From a Land Down Under Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 54 Posts: 24,146	Re: Skins getting heat again over name issue Change it to Skins....its what we call em anyway. It goes from racist to all encompassing.

06-08-2020, 08:10 PM	#33
rocnrik Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,789	Re: Skins getting heat again over name issue I call them that anyways... just keep logo drop the nickname and let folks call them whatever .. hopefully in the near future we can call them Winners!!

06-11-2020, 03:00 PM	#35
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Skins getting heat again over name issue As long as they keep the name Redskins its not going to matter what logo is used, its going to be a problem. I wouldn't be surprised if Goodell and the league pressure the Skins to change the name within the next few years. Hopefully when they change the name its not something stupid like the River Dogs.

06-11-2020, 03:15 PM	#36
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,841	Re: Skins getting heat again over name issue I think the name and logo will both need to go. Hey Irish you owe me $100 from our bet a few years back lol __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

06-11-2020, 03:25 PM	#37
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 42 Posts: 20,609	Re: Skins getting heat again over name issue If I'm Snyder and I'm forced to change, I'm changing name to: Washington Manifest Destiny Logo is a wagon. Alternate, a train. __________________ "You can be my wingman anytime." "Bulls**t. You can be mine."

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