NFC East Champs

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Jeez the Giants and their fans today, just crying like 2 year old babies. Shut up already and win more games.

This.

Yes, benching Hurt for Sunfeld in a 3 points game early in the 4th was strange and not really trying to win this game... But can they stop acting like this D wasn't making stop after stop after stop and play after play after play and hadn't just stuffed them on a 4th down attempt following the first Alex INT ?!

I just rewatched the game. With a 3 points lead and the way this D was playing, we were most likely winning this game any way.

They didn't score one point on us in the second half, and their first TD drive was a gift from the refs + a missed tackle from Reaves. Let's not act like benching Sunfeld completely turned things around, it helped us secure a win we most likely were getting anyway !

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

This.

Yes, benching Hurt for Sunfeld in a 3 points game early in the 4th was strange and not really trying to win this game...

What do you call a coach who goes for it on 4th and goal when a field goal would tie it ,..............in a three point game.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Giantone

What do you call a coach who goes for it on 4th and goal when a field goal would tie it ,..............in a three point game.

No I agree they were not trying to win the game (which was meaningless to them), I just don't like the narrative that it was some sort of sure thing they'd had won if they had tried. They were trailing in a game in which their offense couldn't move the ball in the second half.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

What do you call a coach who goes for it on 4th and goal when a field goal would tie it ,..............in a three point game.

RR went for the win instead of tie in the first Giants game. And Pederson is known for going for the contrarian action. He goes for the most 4th downs of any coach in the league, so if he gets a TD on that 4th down he would have taken the lead with our offense also struggling.

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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

RR went for the win instead of tie in the first Giants game. And Pederson is known for going for the contrarian action. He goes for the most 4th downs of any coach in the league.

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Yeah I remember the announcers saying the analytics say go for it in this situation... but the analytics don't factor in context. Because this 4th and 4 with this offense against this defense in this game doesn't look too good to me. If I'm an Eagles fan and I want my team to win the game I'm mad in this situation.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Yeah I remember the announcers saying the analytics say go for it in this situation... but the analytics don't factor in context. Because this 4th and 4 with this offense against this defense in this game doesn't look too good to me. If I'm an Eagles fan and I want my team to win the game I'm mad in this situation.

Most WFT fans were mad with RR, my point is with about 15 minutes left Pederson was trying to win by getting a knockout punch on our goalline. When he swung and missed he pulled the qb who had a 45 qbr was 7 for 20, and just failed to score from the 15 yd line. For the people who are whining, him replacing Hurts is very characteristic of Pederson's coaching.

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[OnceWeWereKings]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

RR went for the win instead of tie in the first Giants game. And Pederson is known for going for the contrarian action. He goes for the most 4th downs of any coach in the league, so if he gets a TD on that 4th down he would have taken the lead with our offense also struggling.

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Plus. With our offense not really doing anything they either score 7 there, or pin us back in a game he re we weremt moving theg ball
That made total sense to me

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Giantone

What do you call a coach who goes for it on 4th and goal when a field goal would tie it ,..............in a three point game.

Ron Rivera? Oh wait that was us not kicking an extra point to tie it when we had 100 percent of the momentum......
How is it any different for us not to tie the game then? Didn’t hear any accusations though because it benefited your team.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Ron Rivera? Oh wait that was us not kicking an extra point to tie it when we had 100 percent of the momentum......
How is it any different for us not to tie the game then? Didn’t hear any accusations though because it benefited your team.

First I'm not jumping on anything Washington has done. I said before I like RR and thought you guys deserved what you earned . Seems many have a hard time taking the Giants out of the equation. Maybe this might help.

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/doug...-20210104.html


When Doug Pederson pulled Jalen Hurts for Nate Sudfeld early in the fourth quarter in Sunday’s season finale against Washington, many Eagles players and coaches were shocked and outraged, team sources told The Inquirer.

Some were angry. Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson. Center Jason Kelce and another offensive starter went to the coach to ask him why he had pulled the starting quarterback with the Eagles trailing by only three.

Hurts was distraught, as well. Even though he had been told Wednesday that there was a chance Sudfeld could play, he couldn’t understand why Pederson would make the switch, sources close to the situation said.

The NBC broadcast caught Hurts on the bench after he was replaced apparently saying, “That’s not right.”

“As a competitor, I play to win,” Hurts said after the game when asked for his reaction. “You have to trust [Pederson’s plan].”

In many cases, Eagles players and assistants had no inclination that Sudfeld was part of the offensive game plan, and if they did, they figured it had been abandoned because of the tight score.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

First I'm not jumping on anything Washington has done. I said before I like RR and thought you guys deserved what you earned . Seems many have a hard time taking the Giants out of the equation. Maybe this might help.

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/doug...-20210104.html


When Doug Pederson pulled Jalen Hurts for Nate Sudfeld early in the fourth quarter in Sunday’s season finale against Washington, many Eagles players and coaches were shocked and outraged, team sources told The Inquirer.

Some were angry. Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson. Center Jason Kelce and another offensive starter went to the coach to ask him why he had pulled the starting quarterback with the Eagles trailing by only three.

Hurts was distraught, as well. Even though he had been told Wednesday that there was a chance Sudfeld could play, he couldn’t understand why Pederson would make the switch, sources close to the situation said.

The NBC broadcast caught Hurts on the bench after he was replaced apparently saying, “That’s not right.”

“As a competitor, I play to win,” Hurts said after the game when asked for his reaction. “You have to trust [Pederson’s plan].”

In many cases, Eagles players and assistants had no inclination that Sudfeld was part of the offensive game plan, and if they did, they figured it had been abandoned because of the tight score.

Lets keep this in perspective they didn't pull a hot Aaron Rogers in the fourth quarter.

Jalen was 7/20 for 72 yards and a 1 int. 34 yards rushing, albeit two TD's rushing.

We all said it here the first drive the Eagles scored on was a complete gift from the refs; it was penalty after penalty keeping that drive alive. So basically the one drive that got the Eagles to 14 was legit.

Jalen Hurts wasn't keeping the Eagles in the game our poor offensive play was keeping the Eagles in. Eagles don't win with Jalen or Sudfeld.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by Giantone

What do you call a coach who goes for it on 4th and goal when a field goal would tie it ,..............in a three point game.

You're kidding, right? This happens a lot. Underdog team going for it on 4th and goal from the 4 to take the lead. In fact, PHI did it all year. As did other teams. Going for it on 4th down is no longer a rarity. I can tell you I was very nervous that they were going for it. It was the third quarter. Whether tied or down 3, the team would have to score more to win. WFT wasn't really moving the ball all that well, the rain was getting worse by the minute, and worst case if you fail to score on 4th down, you've got WFT pinned at their own 4 with a one-legged QB. Whiny Giants fans and NY-centric media are making way too much out of that decision. In complete hindsight, no less. It just wasn't all that unusual, or even really that poor of a decision.

I think that a coach failing to challenge a questionable completion that allows the opponent to attempt a field goal to force the need for a TD rather than a FG is a much worse coaching decision. Much worse, and it isn't close. Potentially saving the time out didn't matter nearly as much as preventing that FG attempt in that situation.

Coaches are going to make decisions that you wouldn't make. Nothing new about that.