Coronavirus (sports edition) thread

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Coff

I've gone back and read both the NYT and the WaPo articles. What exactly is misleading or non-credible about either of these articles?

For the WaPost it’s the paragraph that states

It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.

And the sub headline from the NYT story has updated from 1 am release to five hours ago:

Breaking News: The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.

Updated around noon To:

Delta variant infections in vaccinated people are rare, compared with those who are unvaccinated, the internal CDC report said. But vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection may spread the virus just as easily.


I wonder with these headlines and buried leads of the effectiveness of the vaccines…if we take a poll of folks if they believe the vaccinated transmit covid just as much as the unvaccinated.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

For the WaPost it’s the paragraph that states

It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.

And the sub headline from the NYT story has updated from 1 am release to five hours ago:

Breaking News: The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.

Updated around noon To:

Delta variant infections in vaccinated people are rare, compared with those who are unvaccinated, the internal CDC report said. But vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection may spread the virus just as easily.


I wonder with these headlines and buried leads of the effectiveness of the vaccines…if we take a poll of folks if they believe the vaccinated transmit covid just as much as the unvaccinated.

So the Post and the Times were transparently reporting information from the CDC. What ledes are being buried? Again, how are either articles being misleading? They are both clearly and transparently reporting CDC reports and internal discussions. The headlines are consistent with the information in the article.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Coff

So the Post and the Times were transparently reporting information from the CDC. What ledes are being buried? Again, how are either articles being misleading? They are both clearly and transparently reporting CDC reports and internal discussions. The headlines are consistent with the information in the article.

You dismiss updated NYT headline which originally should have been flagged as misinformation by social media companies. That’s irresponsible as well claiming chickenpox transmission rate admittedly without any data to back up. When they post this stuff it decreases the vaccine issue.

I’m not sure if it was in that deck, but there what’s the total break through data that the cdc has like 5,500 total versus how many people vaccinated here? I just see some panic porn, the frame isn’t good.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

For the WaPost it’s the paragraph that states

It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.

And the sub headline from the NYT story has updated from 1 am release to five hours ago:

Breaking News: The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.

Updated around noon To:

Delta variant infections in vaccinated people are rare, compared with those who are unvaccinated, the internal CDC report said. But vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection may spread the virus just as easily.


I wonder with these headlines and buried leads of the effectiveness of the vaccines…if we take a poll of folks if they believe the vaccinated transmit covid just as much as the unvaccinated.

If you’re confusing the ease of being infected with the ease of spreading the disease, that’s not the Times or the Post’s fault. By this time people ought to know and understand the difference. The articles are both clear that individuals who are vaccinated are less likely to contract the Delta variant, and that infected individuals spread the Delta virus at the same rate regardless of vaccination status.