Coronavirus (sports edition) thread

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I won't go into the whole back and forth with you Schneed, not because we couldn't but because it is as fruitless as every debate in the debating with your enemy forum. Don't really care much if I've "lost all credibility" either because all those points you raised, and each one is valid on its face, just muddy the factual waters in relationship to the NFL players and their Vax status relative to the course of this virus.

The bottomline is the nfl is a workplace and commercial enterprise. They have set up specific rules that allow for personal choice regardless if they are "dumbs" to you, punch, or me. The players through their union agreed to these rules, and players are abiding by them whether they Vax or not. That is the point of this sports thread. Any other stuff can go in the parking lot forum or debating with the enemy forum.



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Fair enough then, back to the football side of it...

Teams with a higher percentage of unvaccinated players have a higher chance of forfeiting games. Nobody's going to argue with that unless they just don't understand anything about viruses or vaccines.

Bully for us. Best team we've had in years, it would be truly Redskinesque to finish 9-8 with two forfeits.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Fair enough then, back to the football side of it...



Teams with a higher percentage of unvaccinated players have a higher chance of forfeiting games. Nobody's going to argue with that unless they just don't understand anything about viruses or vaccines.



Bully for us. Best team we've had in years, it would be truly Redskinesque to finish 9-8 with two forfeits.

And that I agree with and would hope these guys would choose to get the shots.

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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Fair enough then, back to the football side of it...

Teams with a higher percentage of unvaccinated players have a higher chance of forfeiting games. Nobody's going to argue with that unless they just don't understand anything about viruses or vaccines.

Bully for us. Best team we've had in years, it would be truly Redskinesque to finish 9-8 with two forfeits.

What is driving me crazy is that there are teams that have 90+% vaccination rates. Why are we the only ones at the bottom????

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

What is driving me crazy is that there are teams that have 90+% vaccination rates. Why are we the only ones at the bottom????

Hard to conclude anything other than we have too many not so smart guys on the team.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

What is driving me crazy is that there are teams that have 90+% vaccination rates. Why are we the only ones at the bottom????

The leaguewide vaccination rate of almost 90% (as of Friday) exceeds that of the reported United States numbers by almost 20%.

WFT (as of Friday) was right there with the national average of around 70%, and likely surpassed it on Sunday when guys like AGG decided to get the vaccine after being provided with more information about it.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/s...ning-camp.html

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

The leaguewide vaccination rate of almost 90% (as of Friday) exceeds that of the reported United States numbers by almost 20%.

WFT (as of Friday) was right there with the national average of around 70%, and likely surpassed it on Sunday when guys like AGG decided to get the vaccine after being provided with more information about it.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/s...ning-camp.html

That's good perspective. At the same time, the typical US citizen doesn't play on a football team who could have to forfeit games, causing every player to lose game checks.

If everyone in your neighborhood would lose 1/17th of their income if there was an outbreak in your neighborhood, you'd be more likely to get vaccinated too. That's why I can't understand why we're not at 90-95 percent. Hopefully getting there soon.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That's good perspective. At the same time, the typical US citizen doesn't play on a football team who could have to forfeit games, causing every player to lose game checks.

If everyone in your neighborhood would lose 1/17th of their income if there was an outbreak in your neighborhood, you'd be more likely to get vaccinated too. That's why I can't understand why we're not at 90-95 percent. Hopefully getting there soon.

My neighbors' income, and potential loss of some of it, would not factor into my decision regarding whether or not to get this vaccine. Not that I wouldn't care, I just don't base decisions regarding my health and welfare on my neighbors' anything.

The NFL put big time pressure on these guys to get the vaccine. Whether you like that tactic or not, it does seem to be working. Players are either doing a 180 after being provided more information, caving to the pressure, or simply making a new "business decision". But not everyone who doesn't want to get the vaccine, whatever their reason, is going to fold under the applied pressure; and I think the majority of players understand and respect that. It's mostly fans ("But I've been a die hard fan for years, what if they have to forfeit games") that don't respect the players' individual decisions.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

My neighbors' income, and potential loss of some of it, would not factor into my decision regarding whether or not to get this vaccine. Not that I wouldn't care, I just don't base decisions regarding my health and welfare on my neighbors' anything.

The NFL put big time pressure on these guys to get the vaccine. Whether you like that tactic or not, it does seem to be working. Players are either doing a 180 after being provided more information, caving to the pressure, or simply making a new "business decision". But not everyone who doesn't want to get the vaccine, whatever their reason, is going to fold under the applied pressure; and I think the majority of players understand and respect that. It's mostly fans ("But I've been a die hard fan for years, what if they have to forfeit games") that don't respect the players' individual decisions.

Sorry Chief but I really have a hard time with that part of the argument. Saying "I wish they did that" and not respecting someone's personal decision are 2 different things IMO.
We all have opinions about a lot of things all the time. I don't get why having an opinion about the best option on this particular matter is suddenly such a massive issue...
Like, if an environmentalist says "I wish more people would use public transportation rather than individual cars" (not "any body who owns a car should be sent to jail/fired from their jobs"), is it a breach in individual freedom ?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Sorry Chief but I really have a hard time with that part of the argument. Saying "I wish they did that" and not respecting someone's personal decision are 2 different things IMO.
We all have opinions about a lot of things all the time. I don't get why having an opinion about the best option on this particular matter is suddenly such a massive issue...
Like, if an environmentalist says "I wish more people would use public transportation rather than individual cars" (not "any body who owns a car should be sent to jail/fired from their jobs"), is it a breach in individual freedom ?

FS, I said it's mostly fans... Meaning, for the most part, what I have seen/heard, the players are being respectful of each other's decisions (at least on record), but it's mostly fans or others outside the NFL who are not - because God forbid a team has to forfeit a game. I didn't say all fans... If the shoe fits...

If you've read anything I've posted on here, I'm probably the last one who is going to be against someone for voicing an opinion, even if I disagree. Now, I don't particularly like it when individuals feel they have to berate or shame someone who has a different opinion, but we weren't all raised the same - so while I don't care for it, I'm understanding.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Fair enough then, back to the football side of it...

Teams with a higher percentage of unvaccinated players have a higher chance of forfeiting games. Nobody's going to argue with that unless they just don't understand anything about viruses or vaccines.

Bully for us. Best team we've had in years, it would be truly Redskinesque to finish 9-8 with two forfeits.

That would be pretty infuriating

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

That would be pretty infuriating

And you know you can see it coming from a mile away but you still can't get out of the middle of the road.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Fair enough then, back to the football side of it...

Teams with a higher percentage of unvaccinated players have a higher chance of forfeiting games. Nobody's going to argue with that unless they just don't understand anything about viruses or vaccines.

Bully for us. Best team we've had in years, it would be truly Redskinesque to finish 9-8 with two forfeits.

Yop, exactly my point all the way. The medical part of it I have little interest in, and I don't think it should be forced on anyone...
But as a fan of this team I wish we're not going to lose game because of a bloody shot billions of people got.