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[mooby]

Originally Posted by JackLord

One might think it would have been more prudent to extract everyone long before the Taliban even reach the outskirts of Kabul. Friendlies trapped in apartments is rather frightening.

I vote for Biden. I do not take pleasure in seeing him humiliated. But this is a disaster by any definition.

I agree, it pains me to think about what those people and their families will face if they can't get out.

It is a failure of Biden. I am comfortable laying the blame at his feet for the poor execution of the withdrawal, and his "blame the last guy" message that the last guy made famous.

But in the end, I also agree with the decision to leave. Just wish the plan and execution had been better.

My sympathy to those who have worked their lives to affect change for the better in Afghanistan, and whose rewards will be nil - or worse - death and/or suffering.

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by mooby

I agree, it pains me to think about what those people and their families will face if they can't get out.

It is a failure of Biden. I am comfortable laying the blame at his feet for the poor execution of the withdrawal, and his "blame the last guy" message that the last guy made famous.

But in the end, I also agree with the decision to leave. Just wish the plan and execution had been better.

My sympathy to those who have worked their lives to affect change for the better in Afghanistan, and whose rewards will be nil - or worse - death and/or suffering.

As does almost everybody.

We all knew we were leaving. And while one could- could- make an argument for remaining, most are fine with departing.

It is simply the manner in which it was done.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JackLord

As does almost everybody.

We all knew we were leaving. And while one could- could- make an argument for remaining, most are fine with departing.

It is simply the manner in which it was done.

This is correct…

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This is correct…

It is. The question remains though is why? I still believe that they thought they had waaaaaay more time. That is what everyone is saying that is in the know. Nobody on this board is privy to the intelligence that Biden was getting.
The fact that they are now sending troops back in to help with the evacuation is proof of this. Nobody knew the security forces left in Afghanistan were going to fold that quickly. Maybe some had a hunch, but I believe the Intelligence on the ground there was saying anywhere from 30-90 days before the Taliban could take Kabul.
And for Trump to come out and pounce on this as a political moment is laughable. When Congress voted to speed up the visa process for some there only 16 members voted against it - all republicans- all in Trumps circle , so dont turn around now and say I told you so. That is nothing more than them looking to rake Biden over the coals for this in hopes of 2022/4. I will admit Biden should have probably been more cautious with the withdraw - but Trumpers must admit that he would have listened to the same intelligence and done the same thing. He was chomping at the bit to get the troops out of there. This is your opportunity for a meet you in the middle moment Chico.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

It is. The question remains though is why? I still believe that they thought they had waaaaaay more time. That is what everyone is saying that is in the know. Nobody on this board is privy to the intelligence that Biden was getting.
The fact that they are now sending troops back in to help with the evacuation is proof of this. Nobody knew the security forces left in Afghanistan were going to fold that quickly. Maybe some had a hunch, but I believe the Intelligence on the ground there was saying anywhere from 30-90 days before the Taliban could take Kabul.

Oh no Biden royally fucked this

This big problem now is getting the estimated 10k Americans out the country.

Just thinking of the Afghanistan women it will be terrible for them

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Oh no Biden royally fucked this

This big problem now is getting the estimated 10k Americans out the country.

Just thinking of the Afghanistan women it will be terrible for them

Do you honestly think Trump had a plan in place for the women there? What about the only 16 no votes in Congress about speeding up the visa process to get people out coming from 16 Trump Republicans? You can keep telling yourself it would have gone differently for Trump but you’re wrong. Intelligence was telling Biden 30-90 days - and Trump would have been told the same thing. This was a huge under estimation of the Taliban and a huge over estimation of the security forces by the Intelligence over there. That is all.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...rump-biden.amp