Week 2 - the Rebound

[MTK]

Count me in the camp of not being a big fan of Heinicke. Limited arm and history says he will get hurt sooner rather than later. I suspect we'll see Kyle Allen very soon. Losing your starting QB is always a tough thing to overcome.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Count me in the camp of not being a big fan of Heinicke. Limited arm and history says he will get hurt sooner rather than later. I suspect we'll see Kyle Allen very soon. Losing your starting QB is always a tough thing to overcome.

I hear you but i don't think he is a huge downgrade from Fitz

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I hear you but i don't think he is a huge downgrade from Fitz

I don't think he is either, but I wish we got to see RF play and grow into this offense.

[irish]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I hear you but i don't think he is a huge downgrade from Fitz

He's huge downgrade. Fitz has is 16 year career in the NFL, I'm not saying he's spectacular but he has to be doing something right to have been around this long. Like a lot of fringe NFL QB's, Heinicke can come in and play a few good games but over the course of 17 games (assuming he doesn't get hurt) people will see why he was taking math class instead of playing professional football somewhere.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by irish

He's huge downgrade. Fitz has is 16 year career in the NFL, I'm not saying he's spectacular but he has to be doing something right to have been around this long. Like a lot of fringe NFL QB's, Heinicke can come in and play a few good games but over the course of 17 games (assuming he doesn't get hurt) people will see why he was taking math class instead of playing professional football somewhere.

100% spot on

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by irish

He's huge downgrade. Fitz has is 16 year career in the NFL, I'm not saying he's spectacular but he has to be doing something right to have been around this long. Like a lot of fringe NFL QB's, Heinicke can come in and play a few good games but over the course of 17 games (assuming he doesn't get hurt) people will see why he was taking math class instead of playing professional football somewhere.

Sure but fitz gets you to .500 maybe in a weak division; who cares. Being middle of the pack does nothing for future long term growth of this franchise. Have Tyler stink it up and find a great QB, then we can start rebuilding this bitch.

[irish]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Sure but fitz gets you to .500 maybe in a weak division; who cares. Being middle of the pack does nothing for future long term growth of this franchise. Have Tyler stink it up and find a great QB, then we can start rebuilding this bitch.

Fitz only gets us to .500? Lots of predictions had WFT winning the division and making a run in the playoffs. Fitz wasn't going to be around in five years, he's a short term solution who's a legit NFL QB. Now its rebuild this bitch? Makes no sense.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by irish

Fitz only gets us to .500? Lots of predictions had WFT winning the division and making a run in the playoffs. Fitz wasn't going to be around in five years, he's a short term solution who's a legit NFL QB. Now its rebuild this bitch? Makes no sense.

You could win this division at .500

No one had us going 13 and 4 or some shit. IMO the offense was always still a work in progress and Fitz was a stop gap.

Lets say Fitz id done for the year, do you really think he is coming back here next year? I think he is playing golf with Alex Smith and count their DS money.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by irish

He's huge downgrade. Fitz has is 16 year career in the NFL, I'm not saying he's spectacular but he has to be doing something right to have been around this long. Like a lot of fringe NFL QB's, Heinicke can come in and play a few good games but over the course of 17 games (assuming he doesn't get hurt) people will see why he was taking math class instead of playing professional football somewhere.

Heinicke wasn't even a starter on his XFL team. He's a fun story and fun to watch so far. But him having sustained success and health over a full NFL season would be absolutely shocking to me.

Sucks so bad for Fitz that he got hurt on such a garbage ass play by Leno. That was embarrassing.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by irish

He's huge downgrade. Fitz has is 16 year career in the NFL, I'm not saying he's spectacular but he has to be doing something right to have been around this long. Like a lot of fringe NFL QB's, Heinicke can come in and play a few good games but over the course of 17 games (assuming he doesn't get hurt) people will see why he was taking math class instead of playing professional football somewhere.

I liked the Fitzpatrick signing in the offseason, and he's coming off 2 really good seasons. But the point can also be made that there's a reason the 8 previous teams let him walk...
He didn't look very impressive before the injury. I know he's not the same type of player, but that felt like Alex Smith all over again, guy you can have reasonably high expectations on, comes here and under performs.

We all know Heinickeee's issue is health. But with every little opportunity we saw of him he was making plays.
The point can be made that talent was never the issue, and that if he can stay healthy he could be a starting NFL QB (I'm aware that's a big if... but don't tell me you weren't excited watching that WC game, and don't tell me you didn't feel the spark in the offense when he came in on Sunday).
Anyway, he's the best we got now, let's give the kid a shot before we wright him off.

[irish]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I liked the Fitzpatrick signing in the offseason, and he's coming off 2 really good seasons. But the point can also be made that there's a reason the 8 previous teams let him walk...
He didn't look very impressive before the injury. I know he's not the same type of player, but that felt like Alex Smith all over again, guy you can have reasonably high expectations on, comes here and under performs.

We all know Heinickeee's issue is health. But with every little opportunity we saw of him he was making plays.
The point can be made that talent was never the issue, and that if he can stay healthy he could be a starting NFL QB (I'm aware that's a big if... but don't tell me you weren't excited watching that WC game, and don't tell me you didn't feel the spark in the offense when he came in on Sunday).
Anyway, he's the best we got now, let's give the kid a shot before we wright him off.

Well he was impressive enough to play 16 years in the NFL. With the way QBs come and go it says a lot that he was able to stick around for 16 years.

I would say talent was the issue in addition to his health. He wasn't a starter on his XFL team but maybe his XFL team was loaded at QB. I did feel a spark watching him but a spark is just that, a spark. They shine bright for a few seconds but in the long run they fizzle out.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by irish

Well he was impressive enough to play 16 years in the NFL. With the way QBs come and go it says a lot that he was able to stick around for 16 years.

I would say talent was the issue in addition to his health. He wasn't a starter on his XFL team but maybe his XFL team was loaded at QB. I did feel a spark watching him but a spark is just that, a spark. They shine bright for a few seconds but in the long run they fizzle out.

The way I would put it is: Fitz has proven he is a better NFL QB than Heinicke over his 16 years career... but do we know for sure he was better this year for this team and this offense ? The few snaps we saw of him didn't make it look like a massive certainty.
Anyway, kinda moot argument at this point. Heinicke is our starter and I'm rooting for him to stay healthy.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

The way I would put it is: Fitz has proven he is a better NFL QB than Heinicke over his 16 years career... but do we know for sure he was better this year for this team and this offense ? The few snaps we saw of him didn't make it look like a massive certainty.

Anyway, kinda moot argument at this point. Heinicke is our starter and I'm rooting for him to stay healthy.

Exactly.

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[irish]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

The way I would put it is: Fitz has proven he is a better NFL QB than Heinicke over his 16 years career... but do we know for sure he was better this year for this team and this offense ? The few snaps we saw of him didn't make it look like a massive certainty.
Anyway, kinda moot argument at this point. Heinicke is our starter and I'm rooting for him to stay healthy.

I'm rooting for him too.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Count me in the camp of not being a big fan of Heinicke. Limited arm and history says he will get hurt sooner rather than later. I suspect we'll see Kyle Allen very soon. Losing your starting QB is always a tough thing to overcome.

Heinicke has been able to move the offense in each game. I don't really worry about the arm strength part. As for injuries, at this point our qbs all are injury prone. Multiple seasons with 3+ qbs , that is just crazy.

My fear is that defenses will figure him out, but truthfully I don't know if he has figured himself out yet.

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