Overrated/Underrated

[SmootSmack]

Who do you guys think are some of the more overrated and underrated players in the league?

[offiss]

I know this isn't a popular vote, but I have to say lavar. Although I like the guy, I just think up until now he's been a product of a lot of hype.

[hi-jinx]

I could agree with Lavar beeing overpaid I hope he doesn't turn out overrated.

Overrated:
T.O. (and I hate this guy)
Warren Sapp (his best days are over)
Micheal Vick (yes he is good, but if you have to watch a game he's in its awful how often some talking head say Vick can do this and Vick is great at this, like Vick vs the whole other team is an even match or something)


Underrated:
Marvin Harrison (came in same time as TO has him beat in every stat, but not as many people know is name, best WR in the game last 5 years)
LaDainian Tomlinson (this guy is carring that team)
Jon Kitna (after the year he had last year how can Cindy knock him down to second string?)

[Ghost]

Overrated: Corey Dillon, David Boston

Underrated: Jon Jansen, Fred Smoot

Overpaid: Peyton Manning, Champ Bailey

[jdlea]

Overrated: Jeremy Shockey (2 TD's a season, 894 yard rookie year...Tony Gonzalez had 10 TD's and 916 yards last season, Heap and Crumpler only had 3 TD's, but they had no one throwing to them)

Kurt Warner (not anymore, but I always knew he was a procuct of the system)

Charles Woodson (fall down a few more times Chuck)

Rich Gannon (his so far past it)

Bobby Taylor (never deserved to make that Pro Bowl a couple years ago)

Keyshawn Johnson (I got 99 catches, but a Touchdown ain't 1...in all seriousness, shut up and find the end zone)

Matt Hasselbeck (it won't last)

Shaun Alexander (5 TD's one week, 50 yards the next)

I almost forgot...
Jeff Garcia (IMO he's the biggest coat tail rider of them all. I disagree that TO is overrated, I think he's one of the best WR on the planet. If Jeff could have put is ego aside they could have been a great team. Rattay even looked good throwing to TO. I could throw TD's to TO...Jeff Garcia = John Salley)

On that note...
Tim Rattay (Not by the media, but when he goes down the 49ers are in the market for a veteran QB...because they were set at quarterback when Tim Rattay was healthy right?)

[jdlea]

Underrated: Tomlinson (he's a great back)

Marvin Harrison (for my money and his mouth (or lack thereof) he's the best in the league)


Sam Shade (he was a beast)

Jesse Armstead (he can still get it done)

Marcel Shipp (he's had great games and never a solid opportunity to be a starter)

Dwight Freeney (I just never hear much about him)

Brad Johnson (People always replace him, but he's just an all around solid QB who can get it done)

[Bergman14]

Wow, Lavar overrated, you could not be more off base. You want the one most overrated player in the league right now? Brian Urlacher. Lavar goes into that situation with a stable coaching staff and defenseive coordinator, he has ever bit as much hype as Urlacher. There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker, and there are too many similarities to Dick Butkus, he is all media overhype and Lavar is definitely the superior player

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Bergman14

Wow, There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker

I couldn't agree more, but for once I didn't have the b@lls to say it. I was going to put Urlacher, but I try to base things on stats and his are usually phenomenal. However, I think he gets a lot of hype because of the color of his skin. Much like Jeremy Shockey who even has the NY media driving him. Shockey is a lot like Jason Sehorn. A little above average everywhere else, but in NY he becomes the best in the league.

[SmootSmack]

I agree that Shockey is among the overrated, and Tomlinson and Harrison fall in the underrated category. Some others:

Underrated:

Derrick Mason
Hines Ward
Fred Taylor (been hard to depend on him healthwise, but when he's healthy he's great)

Overrated:

Jake Plummer: I just don't see it
Mike Alstott: Don't see it there either

And I won't say LaVar but I will say Samuels. He has a world of talent but I don't think he's lived up to it since his rookie year

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Bergman14

Wow, Lavar overrated, you could not be more off base. You want the one most overrated player in the league right now? Brian Urlacher. Lavar goes into that situation with a stable coaching staff and defenseive coordinator, he has ever bit as much hype as Urlacher. There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker, and there are too many similarities to Dick Butkus, he is all media overhype and Lavar is definitely the superior player

I was curious what has lavar done to be considered a top LB?

I wonder if you have actually seen Urlacher play? the guy can play, big time, I would also like to know what is so stable about chicago?

up until now Urlacher has out performed Lavar.......

and nobody is trying to build up Lavar as the second coming of LT?

[BossHog]

Overrrated= McNabb (I believe the success he has had the past three years minus last one was due to the domination of the Eagles D.

Underrated= Brady/McNair (The best QBs in the game right now)

Overpaid= Arrington (Anyone making that kind of money had better be the best at his position and a great leader. He's lacking on the latter)

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by offiss

I was curious what has lavar done to be considered a top LB?
I wonder if you have actually seen Urlacher play? the guy can play, big time, I would also like to know what is so stable about chicago?
up until now Urlacher has out performed Lavar.......
and nobody is trying to build up Lavar as the second coming of LT?

Let me start be saying Urlacher is a very good player. But he is only the second best MLB.
I have seen Urlacher play.....I remember a particular game fondly, because I was watching it with my friends and I was arguing with one of my buddies about who is better Ray Lewis or Urlacher. I was saying Lewis is better and Urlacher overated because he is white.
A few plays later the argument died down and we are all suddenly watching closely (Buffalo Bills vs. Chicago Bears game two years ago).
Suddenly we all see Bills OG Rueben Brown pick up off the ground and move Urlacher (by the shoulder pads) out of the way like he was a little kid. The friend I was arguing with, a huge Bears and Urlacher fan was embarrased, as the network kept showing the replay over and over again.
I can tell you Lavar can make stupid mistakes and get blocked out of a play, but I have never seen an offensive lineman pick him up and move him ouf the way like this.
Urlacher needs to put on about 10-15 pounds of muscle in order to be the best MLB in the league.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Let me start be saying Urlacher is a very good player. But he is only the second best MLB.
I have seen Urlacher play.....I remember a particular game fondly, because I was watching it with my friends and I was arguing with one of my buddies about who is better Ray Lewis or Urlacher. I was saying Lewis is better and Urlacher overated because he is white.
A few plays later the argument died down and we are all suddenly watching closely (Buffalo Bills vs. Chicago Bears game two years ago).
Suddenly we all see Bills OG Rueben Brown pick up off the ground and move Urlacher (by the shoulder pads) out of the way like he was a little kid. The friend I was arguing with, a huge Bears and Urlacher fan was embarrased, as the network kept showing the replay over and over again.
I can tell you Lavar can make stupid mistakes and get blocked out of a play, but I have never seen an offensive lineman pick him up and move him ouf the way like this.
Urlacher needs to put on about 10-15 pounds of muscle in order to be the best MLB in the league.

I agree with you on the fact that he's not the best MLB, no argument there, my point was he is good, and not just white, I do agree last year wasen't his best, but the previous year's he was real good, and very true a MLB need's player's in front of him to be all they can be, but I think that goes for just about any MLB, comparing him to lewis in a way is a compliment for Uralcher, if as many do consider lewis, 1 of the great MLB's of all time, as for Lavar, he misses way to many tackles, and is blocked to easily when rushing the passer, the only time he did anything significant was under lewis when he had 11 sack's, and even then he was not playing LB, he was playing D-end, Lavar has all the physical tool's, and the personality to go with it, and I believe the NFL is trying to capatalize on it, but I don't believe he has earned his rep. with his play.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Bergman14

There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker, and there are too many similarities to Dick Butkus, he is all media overhype and Lavar is definitely the superior player

I could not agree more. Urlacher is the most overated and over hyped in the NFL. He did great when he had two monster probowl DT's Teddy Washington and Keith Traylor, in front of him to protect him. Last year when Teddy Washington was gone Urlacher did not do as well. Now that they lost Traylor this offseason, he will be worse. MLB Ray Lewis overcame losing DT's Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa and still played at a high level.

[Daseal]

Over-Rated:
Donovan McNabb - Not much of a passer, loses the big games, but always get's the credit!
Kerry Collins - Been mediocre his whole career, he was the Giant's problem.
Dallas's D - Let's wait till they see some winning teams till we proclaim them a decent defense.
Tommy Maddox - Back to insurance!

Under-rated:
Chris Chambers - give the man a QB.
The Lions - with an awesome rookie/1st year offense, watch out for them.
Marty Booker - HE'S MY FANTASY PICK, HANDS OFF!
Santana Moss - there's a threat opposite of him now - watch his stats skyrocket.
Lee Suggs - Bye Weedhead WIlliam Green - in with VT suggs!
DeShaun Foster - Sell Stephen, keep DeShaun!
Byron Leftwhich - big year
Marcel Shipp - Arizona's running game will be alive, and it won't be Emmitt.
Dominick Davis - Not Freshman luck. Tear it up, Davis!
Moe Williams - He'll do well for the Vikings... again.
Antwon Randel El - This kid will be great~