Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by irish

TO was not a problem last year with Philly and put his career on the line in the Super Bowl. Had the Eagles given him the $ TO would not have been a problem this year and Philly would be in the playoff hunt. All the Skins have to do is give TO a 1 year deal, pay him the $ then sit back and enjoy the TDs.

That sounds like a great idea - let's let the player extort the team.

TO took the pay to play in Philly. Philly took TO at a salary they were comfortable with? Why should they give him more when he agreed to less? What's to stop him from doing this every year for the next few years?

Originally Posted by irish

Its a cant lose for the Skins.

No comment.

[irish]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

That sounds like a great idea - let's let the player extort the team.

TO took the pay to play in Philly. Philly took TO at a salary they were comfortable with? Why should they give him more when he agreed to less? What's to stop him from doing this every year for the next few years?



No comment.

Thats why I recommended giving TO a 1 year deal. TOs problems come along when he stays in one place for awhile. If the skins wanted to keep him after 1 year they could sign a new deal if not, say goodbye. Like I said, cant lose.

Players extorting teams is the whole basis of free agency. I guess you never heard of players and teams renegotiating contracts, heres a news flash, it happens all the time but for some reason Philly decided to play hard a$$ and sacrificed the season to prove a point.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by irish

Thats why I recommended giving TO a 1 year deal. TOs problems come along when he stays in one place for awhile. If the skins wanted to keep him after 1 year they could sign a new deal if not, say goodbye. Like I said, cant lose.

Players extorting teams is the whole basis of free agency. I guess you never heard of players and teams renegotiating contracts, heres a news flash, it happens all the time but for some reason Philly decided to play hard a$$ and sacrificed the season to prove a point.

Don't conflate TO's situation with free agency issue, renegotiation issue, or anything like that, irish. You should know better - this isn't that type of situation.

Neither Philly nor TO said "Let's play one year on this contract and then revisit it to see if it's fair." TO wasn't in his last year of his contract, and there wasn't a salary cap reason to redo his contract.

TO threw a hissy-fit and held out for more money, and Philly's front office, much to their credit, said "no player is bigger than the team".

[irish]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Don't conflate TO's situation with free agency issue, renegotiation issue, or anything like that, irish. You should know better - this isn't that type of situation.

Neither Philly nor TO said "Let's play one year on this contract and then revisit it to see if it's fair." TO wasn't in his last year of his contract, and there wasn't a salary cap reason to redo his contract.

TO threw a hissy-fit and held out for more money, and Philly's front office, much to their credit, said "no player is bigger than the team".

I know TO & Philly didnt say lets play a year and revisit later. I think most contracts that are renegiotated are not planned to be renegiotated but the teams see the value in keeping the player happy and the player sees that the team values him. That's all TO was asking for after he put his career on the line to try to get Philly a championship. I said Philly played hard a$$ and I was only half correct because that whole thing was handled really bad by both sides. I dont think TO would handle it like that again and any team dealing with him will approach their deal differently.

If the skins do pick up TO it will be great to see everyone on this site start talking about how great TO is. I guarantee that will happen.

[Skins fan 44]

YES

I think it could work. There will be stipulations in his contract for his behavior. Most of the reason he was mad in Philly is because they were too cheap and did not pay him. I know he signed the contract and should of honored it but things change when you see things from a different side. He cant be a cancer all the time. If a team takes care of him he will be happy. I see no reason why the Redskins cant take care of him.
Who could touch us with Moss on one side and Owens on the other.

[skindogger47]

We can't afford him next year. We don't need the best receiver in football to compliment Moss, just a good one who is reliable and can make the big catch every now and then. I wish we could have picked up Jurevicious this year instead of Patten. He's been one of my favorites since he had that ridiculous catch against Troy Vincent. Somebody like him, though, would be great. Plug somebody like that in, and wait for Andre Johnson's contract with the Texans to expire.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Skins fan 44

Most of the reason he was mad in Philly is because they were too cheap and did not pay him.

Since when is $42 million for seven years and a $10 million signing bonus "cheap"???

If that's "cheap" then sign me up for a fraction of "cheap" as my salary.

[saden1]

Under these conditions yes.

* You have a problem, shut your mouth.
* You want the ball, don't ask for it.
* You want to win, we all do but losses are part of the game so shut your mouth.
* Just shut your mouth and play!

[Skins fan 44]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Since when is $42 million for seven years and a $10 million signing bonus "cheap"???

If that's "cheap" then sign me up for a fraction of "cheap" as my salary.

It is when you are the best receiver. Look around the league and look at the other receivers making more than him. Now who fault is it in a sense for him signing the contract? TO and his past agent. Agreed but none the less Philly got a bargin. Too bad-or be thankful- he figured out what other receivers made.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by irish

That's all TO was asking for after he put his career on the line to try to get Philly a championship.

BS. Owens "put his career" on the line for his own personal glory, which is the motivation for everything he does. Owens is the ultimate antithesis of a team player - he is in this game solely for money and his own glory, not the team's.

You've got to be the most naive football fan around to think for an instant that Owens "put his career on the line" for the good of the team. It's also quite unfortunate that there are fans like yourself that support such self-serving antics.

Being a die-hard Skins fan I have hated Philly most of my life, but I have a newfound respect for Reid and the team owner for standing up to such childish behavior as Owens' and make an example of him.

::sigh::

Whatever happened to guys playing because they loved the game and made a more-than-adequate living doing so?

[irish]

Originally Posted by mheisig

BS. Owens "put his career" on the line for his own personal glory, which is the motivation for everything he does. Owens is the ultimate antithesis of a team player - he is in this game solely for money and his own glory, not the team's.

You've got to be the most naive football fan around to think for an instant that Owens "put his career on the line" for the good of the team. It's also quite unfortunate that there are fans like yourself that support such self-serving antics.

Being a die-hard Skins fan I have hated Philly most of my life, but I have a newfound respect for Reid and the team owner for standing up to such childish behavior as Owens' and make an example of him.

::sigh::

Whatever happened to guys playing because they loved the game and made a more-than-adequate living doing so?

I didnt say he played in the SB for the good of the team, I said he played to try to get Philly a championship. Two totally different things. I think all players play for their personal satisfaction within the context of the team. TO plays a team sport so the only way for him to get a championship is for the team to win it. I doubt any fan of any team would care what a player's motivation is for playing hard and winning when the team is hoisting the championship trophy.

If you think today's players care about the team more than they care about their own glory or the $ you are the naive one. Aside from Tom Brady I cant think of a single player that has stayed with his team for less money, thats why free agency is so rampant. The NFL is a meat market and if they players dont make as much $ as they can as fast as they can the team wont be do anything to help when they hit hard times (remember Mike Webster & the Steelers?). How many people in other lines of work would stay at a lower paying job when the company down the street wants to give them a 25% raise? I doubt you would stay for the good of the company. Why do we think ballplayers would be any different.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by irish

I didnt say he played in the SB for the good of the team, I said he played to try to get Philly a championship. Two totally different things.

Yes, you've managed to differentiate between the two quite well. I think we can agree that Owens played to get Owens a championship - it just so happened that he has to do that in a team environment, and Philly ended up being that team.

Originally Posted by irish

How many people in other lines of work would stay at a lower paying job when the company down the street wants to give them a 25% raise? I doubt you would stay for the good of the company. Why do we think ballplayers would be any different.

For starters your analogy makes no sense - nobody offered owens additional money after he signed his contract, he simply tried to extract more from the Eagles. Very different situation. But let's go with your analogy anyway:

Had Owens played out his contract he would have been the 2nd or 3rd highest paid WR in the league (behind Marvin Harrison and possibly Randy Moss). What you're suggesting is that if you're one of the top three highest paid individuals in your position throughout the world and you sign a legally binding contract outlining this compensation over 6 or 7 years, that the second year into the deal you can just change your mind and decide you want more money. When you don't get what you want, you stop showing up to meetings, don't bring the appropriate items to meetings, sleep through said meetings, publically criticize your coworkers, supervisors and company, park in the CEO's parking spot and generally make yourself a shameful nuisance to the entire organization...that your company should just drop its pants, bend over and give you what you want?

Where I work that behavior gets you fired each and every time. I don't know what world you live in where such behavior is not only tolerated but rewarded, but I'm sure as hell glad I don't work for your company.

[ST21]

Originally Posted by mheisig

BS. Owens "put his career" on the line for his own personal glory, which is the motivation for everything he does. Owens is the ultimate antithesis of a team player - he is in this game solely for money and his own glory, not the team's.

You've got to be the most naive football fan around to think for an instant that Owens "put his career on the line" for the good of the team. It's also quite unfortunate that there are fans like yourself that support such self-serving antics.

Being a die-hard Skins fan I have hated Philly most of my life, but I have a newfound respect for Reid and the team owner for standing up to such childish behavior as Owens' and make an example of him.

::sigh::

Whatever happened to guys playing because they loved the game and made a more-than-adequate living doing so?

I don't believe that, I think he put his career on the line for a SuperBowl, I know he is selfish but this time I think your wrong, that brother wanted to win a Superbowl, and even though I cheered for New England, watching him play was amazing