2022 Midterms thread

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Except that is exactly what the Dems bill does- protects legalized elective abortions. They basically want to impose Vermont's law on the entire country. Roe versus Wade allowed states to put in limited restrictions after 24 weeks (in reality too limited in effect). The Dems want to prevent states from even those Roe permitted limitations. Less than 2% of all abortions are late term (after 15 weeks) or 10K-15K total. Unfortunately, it turns out most of those are elective. The Dems want to continue to allow those elective abortions to be done and specifically have drawn up legislation to protect that practice.

You said Dems want abortion at any time. I showed you the bill language it was up to viability.

You said red states support a 15 week limit. I showed you that many red states have and want a total ban.

But yeah .. dems are the extreme ones.

Disappointed in your subjective opinionated response honestly. If you have trusted articles and facts .. post em and Ill read them and consider.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

You said Dems want abortion at any time. I showed you the bill language it was up to viability.

You said red states support a 15 week limit. I showed you that many red states have and want a total ban.

But yeah .. dems are the extreme ones.

Disappointed in your subjective opinionated response honestly. If you have trusted articles and facts .. post em and Ill read them and consider.

I said Dems have taken the most extreme position in the abortion debate and with only 10% supporting what they want to permit. Republicans have also taken the extreme positions as you have shown but a bit more of the population supports those positions than they do the Dems position.

As to late term abortions - here you go.

Under HR3577 Section 4 Permitted services
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These restrictions essentially eliminate any limitations states can impose. It turns late term abortions to strictly between the woman and the abortion provider (Same as Vermont).

Example current Virginia law generally prohibits abortion after viability, unless performed by a licensed physician in a licensed hospital with three physicians certifying that the continuation of the pregnancy will result in death of the pregnant person or impair their mental or physical health.[1] It also prohibits the D&X method of abortion.[2] Virginia also limits public funding for abortion.[3] Virginia law generally requires that a parent or “authorized person” be notified prior to a minor’s abortion[4] and consent to it.[5] Alternatively, a judge can approve a minor’s petition.

HR 3577 bars all those restrictions.

This is key as well.
"A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health." The bolded above is not a “meaningful limitation” on late-term abortion and would effectively allow abortions until birth (and has).

That combined with the restrictions listed section 4 means the woman and the abortion provider alone is all that is needed to perform late term abortions. As has been shown in the board on multiple occasions (Guttmacher studies) the majority of 10-15k late term abortions are elective - so we already know some abortion providers are willing to do this. This bill just further frees them up. Need I remind you that Dr. Gosnell was an abortion health care provider.

There really isn't a question that late term elective abortions are being done - this bill prevents any road blocks states might impose to limit those abortions (Even removing the limitations some States already had in place under Roe ie Virginia's).