Free Agent Wish List

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by steveo395

thats why were fans and gibbs is the coach/gm

i trust that he'll make the right choice

i am not being unfairly critical but i do think that in retrospect the front office really misjudged the receiver corps this year-- and the offense paid for it the last portion of the season. even before he went down, patten was far from an impact player. he is no legitimate number 2. they also grossly misjudged what jacobs was capable of accomplishing. they thought thrash would be able to step up to the number 2 slot if needed. they realized they had little in mccants, but by then it was too late.

i do not think they will make the same mistake again this offseason, but there is no getting around the fact that they assembled an inadequate receiver corps this year.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

i am not being unfairly critical but i do think that in retrospect the front office really misjudged the receiver corps this year-- and the offense paid for it the last portion of the season. even before he went down, patten was far from an impact player. he is no legitimate number 2. they also grossly misjudged what jacobs was capable of accomplishing. they thought thrash would be able to step up to the number 2 slot if needed. they realized they had little in mccants, but by then it was too late.

i do not think they will make the same mistake again this offseason, but there is no getting around the fact that they assembled an inadequate receiver corps this year.

patten was starting to get better before he got hurt, jacobs was already on the team and they had to give him a chance, and thrash was always hurt....but when u have moss and cooley, i dont see how u could say they misjudged the receiving corps

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by steveo395

patten was starting to get better before he got hurt, jacobs was already on the team and they had to give him a chance, and thrash was always hurt....but when u have moss and cooley, i dont see how u could say they misjudged the receiving corps

well, hindsight is 20/20 and the proof is in the results... it is kind of like what happened when spurrier assembled all those florida receivers and the consensus was that they were a bunch of stiffs. that is exactly what they proved out to be.
my point is simply that sometimes the prevailing wisdom is correct. the skins had a false optimism about the receiving corps. jacobs had never shown anything before that was anything close to proof that he could be an nfl receiver. thrash was found totally wanting by the eagles who were desperate for a number 1 or 2 receiver in years past. patten was the most expendable member of a new england receiving corps that looks better because of the excellence of tom brady. whom did they have that had proven he could be a reliable #2 receiver? no one.. that is exactly how it played out.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

i am not being unfairly critical but i do think that in retrospect the front office really misjudged the receiver corps this year-- and the offense paid for it the last portion of the season. even before he went down, patten was far from an impact player. he is no legitimate number 2. they also grossly misjudged what jacobs was capable of accomplishing. they thought thrash would be able to step up to the number 2 slot if needed. they realized they had little in mccants, but by then it was too late.

i do not think they will make the same mistake again this offseason, but there is no getting around the fact that they assembled an inadequate receiver corps this year.

I think if you said one of the two new WR's[Moss or Patten ] would have the season Moss had they[FO] would have taken it. To have a trade for Moss go so well....so far! Is much more then anyone could have guessed. All the talking heads said that Moss was over paid by the Redskins and the Jets got the better end of the deal. Gibbs has away of finding WR's like Clark[I believe USFL] or Sanders in the draft! What about C.Brown or the Great Monk? Gibbs see the free agent market as just another part of the draft. As for what the Redskins had coming in Gibbs knew at the end of 04 season he need to up grade. They did there best with what was out there. Remember cost is a big factor and getting Moss for Coles did cost money. Yes I think the FO did reached on Patten but I still believe is a good 3rd WR. Would you give a 3rd round pick for lets say Rams WR Kevin Curtis? There is so many ways to go its just getting it done.

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I think if you said one of the two new WR's[Moss or Patten ] would have the season Moss had they[FO] would have taken it. To have a trade for Moss go so well....so far! Is much more then anyone could have guessed. All the talking heads said that Moss was over paid by the Redskins and the Jets got the better end of the deal. Gibbs has away of finding WR's like Clark[I believe USFL] or Sanders in the draft! What about C.Brown or the Great Monk? Gibbs see the free agent market as just another part of the draft. As for what the Redskins had coming in Gibbs knew at the end of 04 season he need to up grade. They did there best with what was out there. Remember cost is a big factor and getting Moss for Coles did cost money. Yes I think the FO did reached on Patten but I still believe is a good 3rd WR. Would you give a 3rd round pick for lets say Rams WR Kevin Curtis? There is so many ways to go its just getting it done.

i see no reason to pay a 3rd rounder for curtis' services. there are quite a few players who would not cost a pick inthe draft. if we were going to go after a RFA, lloyd would be a better option. still, i think a guy like reggie wayne or david givens would be a better option. also, moulds if he is released.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

i see no reason to pay a 3rd rounder for curtis' services. there are quite a few players who would not cost a pick inthe draft. if we were going to go after a RFA, lloyd would be a better option. still, i think a guy like reggie wayne or david givens would be a better option. also, moulds if he is released.

lloyd is nowhere close to kevin curtis. Wayne and moulds will cost too much and you railed against patten but now you want to try another NE WR?

also you said something about patten not being a #2, but without a full year it'd be hard to tell (once he left our passing numbers dropped by 86 yards a game though, even with brunells two terrible games late, that is pretty stark). I agree that we need 2-3 more WRs though (between KR, KC, or maybe grabbing S moss, and bring in a min salary guy like reche C cause he's better than 4 of the guys we had playing WR this year)
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[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by That Guy

lloyd is nowhere close to kevin curtis. Wayne and moulds will cost too much and you railed against patten but now you want to try another NE WR?

also you said something about patten not being a #2, but without a full year it'd be hard to tell (once he left our passing numbers dropped by 86 yards a game though, even with brunells two terrible games late, that is pretty stark). I agree that we need 2-3 more WRs though (between KR, KC, or maybe grabbing S moss, and bring in a min salary guy like reche C cause he's better than 4 of the guys we had playing WR this year)
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respectfully disagree with you on lloyd versus curtis. i would not complain with either but i think lloyd has a far greater up side. he is bigger, faster and more athletic.

comparing givens to patten is similar only in that they both came from new england. givens is bigger, stronger but not as quick. patten is very fast but small. he is also much older than givens

i liked the signing of patten, but the truth is that he is better suited forthe number 3 receiver. we need a number 2 with size and strength. also, brunell never seemed to be looking for patten or he could never find him.
just whose fault was that? pattens? brunells? i do not know, but it was obvious this year even before patten went out

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

respectfully disagree with you on lloyd versus curtis. i would not complain with either but i think lloyd has a far greater up side. he is bigger, faster and more athletic.

comparing givens to patten is similar only in that they both came from new england. givens is bigger, stronger but not as quick. patten is very fast but small. he is also much older than givens

i liked the signing of patten, but the truth is that he is better suited forthe number 3 receiver. we need a number 2 with size and strength. also, brunell never seemed to be looking for patten or he could never find him.
just whose fault was that? pattens? brunells? i do not know, but it was obvious this year even before patten went out

i'd say it was a little more on brunnel, since brady had no problems checking 3-4 targets, whereas brunell seemed to only use half field reads (1 deep, 1 mid/short and then a dump off or toss out of bounds if those 2 options weren't there).

i'm just not sure on lloyd cause he does short arm passes and some people here raised a character issue on him... i just don't want another 50/50. Also lloyd averaged 48 yards per start whereas curtis averaged 68 per start (NEITHER had good QB play).

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i'd say it was a little more on brunnel, since brady had no problems checking 3-4 targets, whereas brunell seemed to only use half field reads (1 deep, 1 mid/short and then a dump off or toss out of bounds if those 2 options weren't there).

i'm just not sure on lloyd cause he does short arm passes and some people here raised a character issue on him... i just don't want another 50/50. Also lloyd averaged 48 yards per start whereas curtis averaged 68 per start (NEITHER had good QB play).

what you say makes alot of sense to me. ramsey looked for patten first in preseason and he found him a lot. i think brunell has trouble finding patton. i thought it might have a lot to do with brunell rolling away from patten, but in the end i think it is that brunell simply does not see the field that well.
for all the complaints about ramsey locking onto receivers and missing open receivers, brunell did a lot of that the latter half of the year

i understand what you say about lloyd. to be truthfull, i would prefer moulds over either one. as for givens, i have never seen him short arm a ball and like wayne, he tries to score on every play. he just does not have the speed of some wideouts.

there will be guys out there that could help this offense a lot. but inthe end, brunell will have to hold up or the offense is going to degrade again.