Ravens shopping Ray Lewis?

[BrudLee]

The reason it's hard to trade Lewis is the same reason (well, almost the same) it's hard for the Eagles to trade TO. The contract you'd inherit is outrageous.

The fact that he's on the blocks indicates he might get cut, which means he'd be out there for nothing. The Ravens haven't (yet) given him permission to find a new deal, so whoever trades anything for Lewis may be forced to abide by the contract he has. Unless a team knew they could substantially reduce his salary, he isn't worth trading for at all.

[onebum]

They tried to trade him before last season and couldn't get anything better than a 2nd round draft pick offered for him. It had nothing to do with the contract the team would be getting with him, its the fact he wanted "peyton manning type money" and no one is gonna pay him that at this time in his career.

He was great a few years ago, but in recent years he's an undersized middle linebacker with several injuries in recent years, and he isn't the highlight reel he used to be. Think about it, how often was he shown this season...and its not just because the ravens were losing. Folks still talk about him like he's the greatest, but they are talking about the Lewis from 3 or 5 years ago.

Well, thats my .02 but I think you got ripped off. Basically, he wants out because he wants huge money, and no one is gonna pay huge money to a guy they picked up for a 2nd round draft pick.


Da Bum

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

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Doesn't look good for our chances to get a high pick for Ramsey if someone like Ray Lewis isn't drawing more interest than just a 2nd rounder.

Of course, age and contract have everything to do with that. Ramsey is a heck of a lot younger than Ray. Of course, Ramsey is not even close to the level Ray Lewis is.

I still say 4th rounder sounds right for Ramsey, 3rd if we're fortunate.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Of course, age and contract have everything to do with that. Ramsey is a heck of a lot younger than Ray. Of course, Ramsey is not even close to the level Ray Lewis is.

I still say 4th rounder sounds right for Ramsey, 3rd if we're fortunate.

I agree. Third rounder would be a tremendous coup. The other opt ion might be to throw in extras with Ramsey (picks or players) to get a 2nd or late 1st, though we would probably get held up in this sort of deal.

Linebacker is a young man's position. Lewis would be well advised to take a decent offer and stay in Baltimore. He will not get the treatment that he is used to anywhere else. Those dumb SOBs in Maryland think he commands the dawn and they can keep him. Nobody else wants to deal with his bullshit.

[70Chip]

Allow myself to qoute......................myself:

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Linebacker is a young man's position. Lewis would be well advised to take a decent offer and stay in Baltimore. He will not get the treatment that he is used to anywhere else. Those dumb SOBs in (undisclosed location) think he commands the dawn and they can keep him. Nobody else wants to deal with his bullshit.

...except maybe Greg Williams. www.profootballtalk.com mentions in passing that the Redskins made a major play for Ray Lewis last week with an offer that involved both players and picks. I don't know how credible these guys are. They seem like a clearinghouse for spin from desperate agents. Did anyone else hear about this? From the rumormill:

"Still, don't expect a trade to happen. The Redskins offered a package of draft picks and various players last week, and the Ravens weren't interested."

[PSUskinsfan11]

These guys were right on about alot of things.....McNabb's hernia, us trying to get Campbell, ST getting in trouble...they are more credible then people give them credit for. I would LOVE to see us get Ray unless it came at 56's expense. 56,52, and 53 is a scary group of LB's!!!!!!

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Of course, age and contract have everything to do with that. Ramsey is a heck of a lot younger than Ray. Of course, Ramsey is not even close to the level Ray Lewis is.

I still say 4th rounder sounds right for Ramsey, 3rd if we're fortunate.

you are probably right. might be some playing time clauses however.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

And I don't wanna' see that dance.

[onebum]

That dance...folks make a big deal because Moss, the randy not the Santana, acted like he mooned the crowd. Yet somehom lewis' dance is great, and shows his passion for the game? what crap...not suprising though, everything I see from the guy makes me think the only class he ever had included a teacher.


Da Bum

[sportscurmudgeon]

The ONLY way a team trades for Ray Lewis is if he agrees to a restructuring of his contract before the trade is consummated. Lewis is not the player he was a few years ago - - even though he is still a very good linebacker. The problem isn't that he can't play anymore; the problem is that he isn't nearly worth the huge cap number than he commands based on the contract he has.

I heard from a friend who has a contact near the Ravens FO that they HOPED to get a first round pick this year and maybe a fourth or fifth next year in exchange for Lewis. IF he would agree to a contract restructuring, they MIGHT actually get that kind of offer from a team that needs to upgrade the defense in order to make a significant run at a conference championship game next year.

The Skins don't fit that model in a couple of ways:

1. Their defense is fine.

2. They don't have a first round pick to trade this year.

With regard to Lewis being past his prime while Patrick Ramsey has yet to reach his prime, let me just say this. The Redskins better hope that Patrick Ramsey has not seen is prime already. Because if his best days have already been shown on the field, that might be one of the more horrid first round draft picks of the last 25 years. It might rank right up there with tony Manderich and company...

[70Chip]

I don't think Ramsey would represent an especially bad bust. Feature these Redskins firts rounders:

Heath Schuler 1994 QB Tenessee
Andre Johnson 1996 T Penn State

I'm giving passes to Desmond Howard and Bobby Wilson based on their SB rings. They, like Ramsey, were mere disappointments.

I'm also betting that 12th overall pick:

Yazoo Smith 1968 DB Oregon or 4th overall pick
Richie Lucas 1960 QB Penn State

didn't exactly set the world on fire, but that was before I was born. Maybe some veteran fans will remember them.

[sportscurmudgeon]

70 Chip:

I tried to limit the damage by saying one of the worst picks in the last 25 tears. Gary Beban was another Skins first rund pick who stunk and dont even talk bout Ray Macdonald (was that his name?) the 250 lb fullback from Montana or Idaho back in the mid-60s. He was as useless as a chocolate teapot.

If we have seen the best of Partick Ramsey, then he was as useless as Heath Shuler. Neither of them was worth a bucket of warm spit. Now if Ramsey has more to show...

[70Chip]

Ray Mcdonald 1967 Idaho FB (13 overall)

I'm afraid that even if Ramsey has better days they will be somewhere else, so for us, he be a bust.

Also,

Don Allard 1959 QB Boston College (4th overall)

They drafted three straight QBs in the first round, the last being Norm Snead in '61.(from Dallas 1st overall?) No wonder they stunk for the following decade. Can you imagine the list of guys they passed on with those three picks? Sheesh.

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

70 Chip:

I tried to limit the damage by saying one of the worst picks in the last 25 tears. Gary Beban was another Skins first rund pick who stunk and dont even talk bout Ray Macdonald (was that his name?) the 250 lb fullback from Montana or Idaho back in the mid-60s. He was as useless as a chocolate teapot.

If we have seen the best of Partick Ramsey, then he was as useless as Heath Shuler. Neither of them was worth a bucket of warm spit. Now if Ramsey has more to show...

macdonald actually lead the nation in rushing as a senior but NOBODY actually checked him out personally. he had 1 leg that was shorter than the other and played at a smaller school. he was also openly one of the first gay players and that did not go over too well with the vets..
he had a few terrific games inhis first year but that was it for him

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I don't think Ramsey would represent an especially bad bust. Feature these Redskins firts rounders:

Heath Schuler 1994 QB Tenessee
Andre Johnson 1996 T Penn State

I'm giving passes to Desmond Howard and Bobby Wilson based on their SB rings. They, like Ramsey, were mere disappointments.

I'm also betting that 12th overall pick:

Yazoo Smith 1968 DB Oregon or 4th overall pick
Richie Lucas 1960 QB Penn State

didn't exactly set the world on fire, but that was before I was born. Maybe some veteran fans will remember them.

yazoo was tragic. he would have been great had he not been injured.

add kent mcloughan or eugene epps to that list because they ended up signing with afl teams and the skins got zero for the picks