Dolphins & Ogunleye talks reaching an impasse

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-12-2004, 12:50 PM

Exactly Hogskin, just look at the way Snyder structures his deals with players.

Below are just a few examples of players' salaries that will double, or even triple, between this year and next year:

Jon Jansen $2M to $4M
Randy Thomas $1M to $2.6M
MLB 59 Micheal Barrow $760K to $1.74M
WR 80 Laveranues Coles $535K to $1.5M
Renaldo Wynn $2M to $3.5M

Now, I understand that many deals are backloaded, but it seems like our entire roster is full of backloaded deals. Can't we squeeze another one in for a VITALLY important position?

Plus, we might want to trade Gardner (which I opposed doing before we got Thrash - who I think is just as good) while teams still want him when he's young, cheap (2 years left on the deal), and his value isn't set in stone as being a decent #2.

I'm normally a cap-conservative guy, but I think the Dline needs special attention.

Hogskin · 06-12-2004, 02:35 PM

Great point on the salary structuring, Ramseyfan. Also, the point you made about trading Gardner while his value is up, I will take a step further. Gardner is absolutely no shoe-in for keeping a starting job. If he loses it before or during the season, his value could plummet. Right now, he may have some fairly decent value on the market.

SmootSmack · 06-12-2004, 03:02 PM

I'm probably one of the few in the pro-Gardner camp. I think he can still be an effective no. 2 receiver. That being said, I'm more concerned with the greater good and that's the Redskins. So yeah I'd do a Gardner/Ogunleye deal. Gardner could go to the Dolphins and replace another former Redskin, Derrius Thompson, who was a total bust for the Fins last year.

Hogskin · 06-12-2004, 04:10 PM

By the way, Matty and Smack, don't you think my AGE alone should qualify me to be rid of that BLUE hat?? It's just not right having that thing on an OLD FART... LOL

SmootSmack · 06-12-2004, 04:22 PM

Hogskin, you may think you're up there in age but you're young in mind and spirit so blue hat it is

Big C · 06-13-2004, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootsmack

I'm probably one of the few in the pro-Gardner camp. I think he can still be an effective no. 2 receiver. That being said, I'm more concerned with the greater good and that's the Redskins. So yeah I'd do a Gardner/Ogunleye deal. Gardner could go to the Dolphins and replace another former Redskin, Derrius Thompson, who was a total bust for the Fins last year.

I am also pro-Gardner. I believe he will have a breakout season this year. I get that you all think he drops the ball a lot, which is true he has dropped a good amount. But the fact is, we werent sayin this stuff 2 years ago when he was a 1,000 yard reciever. He had one down year, but it wasnt a bad year, 60 catches 600 yards. Give this guy a break, dont give up on young talent, and ride it out. He isnt hurting us whatsoever.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-13-2004, 10:50 AM

I have no doubt that Gardner is a good WR. I think he has be given less credit than he deserves. I also remember how he was the only WR two years ago who got consistent separation despite being occasionally double-teamed.

However, I think our need for a pass-rusher greatly exceeds our need for Gardner. Again, that is no knock on Gardner, it's simply a reflection of our team's current state. We've got Coles (enough said), Thrash (who I think is a much better WR than people give him credit for), McCants (a very good #3 who we just signed to a new deal), and Jacobs (a very promising 2nd year vet).

To me, it makes too much sense to not at least try to trade Gardner for Ogunleye (whether Miami would accept or not is another question). Trust me, our capologists could make the cap situation work.

Carnage · 06-14-2004, 10:35 AM

I've been thinking about O lately because it is so rare that a pass rushers hits the market.
However, the way Rosenhause is working, he won't report to a new team either unless his salary demands are met. Might as well wait a year, no point in giving up any value and getting worked by the agent.

06-12-2004, 04:10 PM	#4
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 84 Posts: 659	By the way, Matty and Smack, don't you think my AGE alone should qualify me to be rid of that BLUE hat?? It's just not right having that thing on an OLD FART... LOL __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

06-12-2004, 04:22 PM	#5
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06-12-2004, 12:50 PM	#1
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Exactly Hogskin, just look at the way Snyder structures his deals with players. Below are just a few examples of players' salaries that will double, or even triple, between this year and next year: Jon Jansen $2M to $4M Randy Thomas $1M to $2.6M MLB 59 Micheal Barrow $760K to $1.74M WR 80 Laveranues Coles $535K to $1.5M Renaldo Wynn $2M to $3.5M Now, I understand that many deals are backloaded, but it seems like our entire roster is full of backloaded deals. Can't we squeeze another one in for a VITALLY important position? Plus, we might want to trade Gardner (which I opposed doing before we got Thrash - who I think is just as good) while teams still want him when he's young, cheap (2 years left on the deal), and his value isn't set in stone as being a decent #2. I'm normally a cap-conservative guy, but I think the Dline needs special attention.

06-12-2004, 02:35 PM	#2
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 84 Posts: 659	Great point on the salary structuring, Ramseyfan. Also, the point you made about trading Gardner while his value is up, I will take a step further. Gardner is absolutely no shoe-in for keeping a starting job. If he loses it before or during the season, his value could plummet. Right now, he may have some fairly decent value on the market. __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

06-12-2004, 03:02 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I'm probably one of the few in the pro-Gardner camp. I think he can still be an effective no. 2 receiver. That being said, I'm more concerned with the greater good and that's the Redskins. So yeah I'd do a Gardner/Ogunleye deal. Gardner could go to the Dolphins and replace another former Redskin, Derrius Thompson, who was a total bust for the Fins last year. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

06-13-2004, 10:50 AM	#7
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	I have no doubt that Gardner is a good WR. I think he has be given less credit than he deserves. I also remember how he was the only WR two years ago who got consistent separation despite being occasionally double-teamed. However, I think our need for a pass-rusher greatly exceeds our need for Gardner. Again, that is no knock on Gardner, it's simply a reflection of our team's current state. We've got Coles (enough said), Thrash (who I think is a much better WR than people give him credit for), McCants (a very good #3 who we just signed to a new deal), and Jacobs (a very promising 2nd year vet). To me, it makes too much sense to not at least try to trade Gardner for Ogunleye (whether Miami would accept or not is another question). Trust me, our capologists could make the cap situation work.

06-14-2004, 10:35 AM	#8
Carnage Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 473	I've been thinking about O lately because it is so rare that a pass rushers hits the market. However, the way Rosenhause is working, he won't report to a new team either unless his salary demands are met. Might as well wait a year, no point in giving up any value and getting worked by the agent.

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