Who starts at QB?

[dcweldon]

As we all saw in the playoffs, when Mark Brunell is not 100% he struggles. His injury lingered from the final game against the Giants at home, where Ramsey came in and did well. This team is Jason Campell's team (unless we drafted him for no reason), with the signing of Randle El, and bringing in the second tier to the Joe Gibbs brain (Al Saunders), is this Campell's year to take the reigns at the helm or is Mark still the starter?

Don't get me wrong, if Mark is healthy he as well as the team will do great, but is there any talk of Jason getting the call?

[mooby]

well, Adam Schefter reported that Campbell is gonna be our #3 because he still isn't ready yet, so for the time being this is brunell's job.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mooby

well, Adam Schefter reported that Campbell is gonna be our #3 because he still isn't ready yet, so for the time being this is brunell's job.

When did Schefter say this? I don't see any way that Campbell is not at least our #2 by August.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

When did Schefter say this? I don't see any way that Campbell is not at least our #2 by August.

I believe it was this afternoon. I was watching total access, about the time culpepper was traded to miami, and he was talking about qb movings and such around the league. I thought that Campbell would be our #2 this season too, that's why i'm not positively sure this true, but i do remember him saying that "sources say that campbell is not ready to be a #2 at this point".

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mooby

I believe it was this afternoon. I was watching total access, about the time culpepper was traded to miami, and he was talking about qb movings and such around the league. I thought that Campbell would be our #2 this season too, that's why i'm not positively sure this true, but i do remember him saying that "sources say that campbell is not ready to be a #2 at this point".

I don't think this report by Shefter is the least bit accurate. Gibbs gave a glowing review of Campbell's progress when the season ended, and has told him that next year he better be ready to earn his keep.

I don't think there's any way Campbell will be the #3 this year. No way in hell. I think it's quite possible that Campbell is ready to START, not just be the 2nd stringer.

I don't trust Schefter's "sources". He doesn't have a reputation for being a great NFL insider. If Mort was saying this, I might buy into it a little more. But I think this is complete bullcrap.

Gibbs would not give a glowing review of Campbell if he wasn't ready to step it up next season. Gibbs doesn't make things up like that. He follows the "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all policy." With Ramsey he often finds little nice to say, and instead dances around the questions. He doesn't do that with Campbell, he has plenty of nice things to say.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't think this report by Shefter is the least bit accurate. Gibbs gave a glowing review of Campbell's progress when the season ended, and has told him that next year he better be ready to earn his keep.

I don't think there's any way Campbell will be the #3 this year. No way in hell. I think it's quite possible that Campbell is ready to START, not just be the 2nd stringer.

I don't trust Schefter's "sources". He doesn't have a reputation for being a great NFL insider. If Mort was saying this, I might buy into it a little more. But I think this is complete bullcrap.

Gibbs would not give a glowing review of Campbell if he wasn't ready to step it up next season. Gibbs doesn't make things up like that. He follows the "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all policy." With Ramsey he often finds little nice to say, and instead dances around the questions. He doesn't do that with Campbell, he has plenty of nice things to say.

really? so i guess that means that jacobs really is an amazing receiver after all, and that royal is a super smart guy fighting his guts out and has great hands. or that brunell (circa 2004) wasn't doing anything at all wrong, even though he couldn't hit wide open guys 6 yards down the field.

gibbs has a bad habit of publicly blowing sh*t up his player's @$$es on a regular basis. people just believe it cause they want to.

I hope campbell is amazing, but being talked up by this staff is worthless and means nothing based on past experiences.

[soccercycbk]

Mark Brunell will go down with a stinger or injury within the first half of the season and Jason will step in. It will be up to him to decide whether he takes hold of this team and leads it for years to come or performs ok and hands back Brunell the starting job the next week.

[Big C]

campbell, a 1st round pick who in his 2nd year, cant be a 2nd string QB? wtf?

[soccercycbk]

Why do you even bother listening to Schefter talk about a quarterback situation in the beginning of the offseason. Jason Campbell has months to prepare and with the addition of Collins the learning process will be much quicker. Add to that 4 games of preseason action there's no way he won't be our #2 by the time the regular season starts. Gibbs even said last season if he had thrown Campbell into one of the games he would've done fine.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by soccercycbk

Why do you even bother listening to Schefter talk about a quarterback situation in the beginning of the offseason. Jason Campbell has months to prepare and with the addition of Collins the learning process will be much quicker. Add to that 4 games of preseason action there's no way he won't be our #2 by the time the regular season starts. Gibbs even said last season if he had thrown Campbell into one of the games he would've done fine.

don't hate the messenger hate the man who said it. I never said i believe it to be 100% true, i'm just letting you know what someone else said about the situation.

[NFLeurope]

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by NFLeurope

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.

ABSOFREAKINLUTLY!

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by NFLeurope

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

I agree with your feelings on Ramsey but I've turned the page on the idea that someday he'd succeed here. Joe Gibbs doesn't like his game. Joe's not a good coaching fit for a young gunslinger who needs patience.

With all the FA signings, I'd like to get very optimistic about the 2006 season but I have serious doubts about our QB situation.

Last year, our passing game was customized for a 35 year-old Mark Brunell who still has the instincts of a scrambler but doesn't have the legs anymore. From the Seattle game through the San Franscisco blowout, Mark and Santana put up some amazing yardage numbers but, after that, their production fell off. At the end, in the weaker part of our schedule, we were very dependent on the running game and defensive turnovers.

At this stage of his career, Brunell's game is very limited and easily defended. Furthermore, Al Saunders' scheme utilizes a pocket passer. Mark doesn't fit the system.

I hope we didn't bring in Al Saunders to adjust his scheme for a 36 year-old ex-scrambler.

Even if the media rumors that Campbell isn't ready are false, how optimistic can we get about the potential of an offense with a QB who has never taken a snap in an NFL game where real bullets were being fired?

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I agree with your feelings on Ramsey but I've turned the page on the idea that someday he'd succeed here. Joe Gibbs doesn't like his game. Joe's not a good coaching fit for a young gunslinger who needs patience.

With all the FA signings, I'd like to get very optimistic about the 2006 season but I have serious doubts about our QB situation.

Last year, our passing game was customized for a 35 year-old Mark Brunell who still has the instincts of a scrambler but doesn't have the legs anymore. From the Seattle game through the San Franscisco blowout, Mark and Santana put up some amazing yardage numbers but, after that, their production fell off. At the end, in the weaker part of our schedule, we were very dependent on the running game and defensive turnovers.

At this stage of his career, Brunell's game is very limited and easily defended. Furthermore, Al Saunders' scheme utilizes a pocket passer. Mark doesn't fit the system.

I hope we didn't bring in Al Saunders to adjust his scheme for a 36 year-old ex-scrambler.

Even if the media rumors that Campbell isn't ready are false, how optimistic can we get about the potential of an offense with a QB who has never taken a snap in an NFL game where real bullets were being fired?

hypothetically speaking: ... suppose we keep ramsey ...

If Gibbs opens his mind and let's saunders have equal influence in the decision of whom to start at QB, thus guaranteeing a fair competition then what would be the result?

My conclusion is only that our QB depth chart will be much more attractive w/ Ramsey than without.


(no particular order)
1)Brunell --------------------1) Brunell
2)Campbell ----is less then---2)Ramsey
3)Collins--------------------- 3)Campbell

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

hypothetically speaking: ... suppose we keep ramsey ...

If Gibbs opens his mind and let's saunders have equal influence in the decision of whom to start at QB, thus guaranteeing a fair competition then what would be the result?

My conclusion is only that our QB depth chart will be much more attractive w/ Ramsey than without.


(no particular order)
1)Brunell --------------------1) Brunell
2)Campbell ----is less then---2)Ramsey
3)Collins--------------------- 3)Campbell

I can't imagine paying two million a year to hire an OC and then not giving him the final say on who plays QB in his scheme. Joe Gibbs will have input surely but Saunders will make the call.

However, the Ramsey Bridge was burned before Saunders got here. He doesn't want to play here.