Brunell in Saunders's offense ?

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Let's put things into perspective here. Collins hasn't seen meaningful playing time in nearly 10 years. Soak that one in for a moment.

There's a reason why he hasn't played, and it's not because he's been buried on the depth chart behind Trent Green.

I'm not saying it's totally impossible for him to be some sort of hidden gem, but if you really think Saunders brought him in here for anything more than just a clipboard holder, you're going to be really disappointed.

Brunell is the short term answer, Campbell is the long term answer. Collins doesn't fit into this equation at all unless it's due to injury. He might be #2 on the depth chart right now, but I predict Campbell will start the season listed as the #2 and Collins will look damn good in a baseball cap all season.

Don't mean to be redundant, but some of you have your perspective - I have mine. I cannot judge anyone's abilities until I have seen them play. I won't be disappointed if he is a clipboard holder because I have no expectations of him - I haven't see him play. When I do - I will either say he is great, good, alright, or he sucks.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Man, lighten up...will ya? Of course, I don't think Collins is a bum. And it's cool to have a different perspective on football. But at some point that point of view has to be tempered with some reality.

The truth is, Todd Collins has been somewhat of a journeyman throughout his career. Appearantly there is nothing special or amazing about him in any way.

I think Al Saunders likes his work ethic, and mainly his football acumen. Could he step in and having one amazing season? Sure it could happen. I think history has provided us with some truly amazing stories where no-name back-up quarterbacks have come in and done some special things.
I just wouldn't read too much into what Saunders said about Collins nor would I even expect him to getting any meaningful playing time.

I can't lighten up - I don't take too much of these discussions too seriously in the first place. Most of my posts will mostly go against the grain of thought anyways. But I try have discussions about things that maybe some people haven't thought of - not always the ordinary redskins are going to kick so and so's ass all the time - though that's always fun.

But going back to your post - my reality is just that: seeing how good someone is. And I'm not and have never said he was good - yet.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I can't lighten up - I don't take too much of these discussions too seriously in the first place. Most of my posts will mostly go against the grain of thought anyways. But I try have discussions about things that maybe some people haven't thought of - not always the ordinary redskins are going to kick so and so's ass all the time - though that's always fun.

But going back to your post - my reality is just that: seeing how good someone is. And I'm not and have never said he was good - yet.

But you or I seeing him isn't going to change what he's already proven in his career. We may form some opinion about him, but it won't get him in the starting line-up when Sept. rolls around.

Let me ask you this - Let's say this guys lights it up this pre-season. Then what will you think??

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

On a side note, I was looking at your band's site. Have you played with Lex Vegas yet?

not that i remember, though it's totally possible if you know someone in the band, i'll say hi or whatnot.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Yeah, if you meet a guy named Ray Worth, tell him I said what's up. Ben from Lexington, a friend of Buskey.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

... and what has Al Saunders said about him.

warren moon said his cfl team could compete against an nfl team. gibbs and champ and spurrier said taylor jacobs was one hell of a receiver. I said that the moon was on fire. just cause someone says something doesn't make it true. Opinions are not facts, though you seem to be treating them as such here.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

But you or I seeing him isn't going to change what he's already proven in his career. We may form some opinion about him, but it won't get him in the starting line-up when Sept. rolls around.

Let me ask you this - Let's say this guys lights it up this pre-season. Then what will you think??

Then I'll say he lit it up and rightfully say he is great or good.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by That Guy

warren moon said his cfl team could compete against an nfl team. gibbs and champ and spurrier said taylor jacobs was one hell of a receiver. I said that the moon was on fire. just cause someone says something doesn't make it true. Opinions are not facts, though you seem to be treating them as such here.

You're right, but that's all I have to go by - but I never said he was good. Just saying what he thinks of him.

[That Guy]

maybe its just a result of being too defensive, but saying collins could start opening day (and not due to injury) or disregarding the fact that he's done nothing in over ten years as an indication of his talent level... well, you're in a small boat. and that's fine, but using a throw away and pre-prompted saunders quote as evidence is worthless and will NOT help your credibility, as i've already pointed out. he was asked about his qb situation, he complimented everyone... if you think he'd actually insult his players or say "no comment" as a response, that'd be crazy.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by That Guy

warren moon said his cfl team could compete against an nfl team. gibbs and champ and spurrier said taylor jacobs was one hell of a receiver. I said that the moon was on fire. just cause someone says something doesn't make it true. Opinions are not facts, though you seem to be treating them as such here.

Honestly, if you said the moon was on fire I just wouldn't believe you - and just say oh really and think in my mind - coo coo ... coo coo ... coo coo. j/p
Now, if you were Al Saunders and said the moon was on fire I think I'd have to run outside and check for myself

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by That Guy

maybe its just a result of being too defensive, but saying collins could start opening day (and not due to injury) or disregarding the fact that he's done nothing in over ten years as an indication of his talent level... well, you're in a small boat. and that's fine, but using a throw away and pre-prompted saunders quote as evidence is worthless and will NOT help your credibility, as i've already pointed out. he was asked about his qb situation, he complimented everyone... if you think he'd actually insult his players or say "no comment" as a response, that'd be crazy.

Yeah but I think (and this is only what I believe) that coaches try to say as little as possible in certain situations - and by him saying something like this - it kind of means something. Like (and I know 2 different situations) brunell and gibbs last offseason- not totally the same - but to me the same feel.

[That Guy]

coaches have to have the player's back to not lose the locker room. he was specifically asked to talk about his QBs. what gibbs said was unscripted and not prompted.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by That Guy

maybe its just a result of being too defensive, but saying collins could start opening day (and not due to injury) or disregarding the fact that he's done nothing in over ten years as an indication of his talent level... well, you're in a small boat. and that's fine, but using a throw away and pre-prompted saunders quote as evidence is worthless and will NOT help your credibility, as i've already pointed out. he was asked about his qb situation, he complimented everyone... if you think he'd actually insult his players or say "no comment" as a response, that'd be crazy.

I don't remember him complimenting Brunell and last season I took gibbs's comments about brunell and threw those away too - I won't make the same mistake twice. And about the doing nothing part over ten years, again I am just going by what Saunders said.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by That Guy

coaches have to have the player's back to not lose the locker room. he was specifically asked to talk about his QBs. what gibbs said was unscripted and not prompted.

And this has got to be the point of disagreement. I am going with my gut and say that this wasn't what Saunders needed to say - he said it because he wanted to and believed it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I am just thinking outloud and wondering how Brunell will fit as the QB in Saunders's offense. When I think of Brunell, I think of a QB who uses his legs to get into a passing rhythm (sp). And when I think of a Saunders offense (using KC and STL to go by), I think of a true pocket QB that rarely needs mobility (for rhythm or otherwise).

Will Saunders be able to develop Brunell as a qb in his offense, considering how old Brunell is ? And I haven't heard much said about Brunell commenting on the Saunder's offense or vice versa.

I'm sure I've said this a few times already, but Brunell and Green, who came up as very different QBs, have become quite similar in their style of play.