Jeremiah Trotter Signs with iggles!

MTK · 07-15-2004, 12:34 PM

We have bigger worries than Trotter.

He'll probably be a solid contributor for them but I'm not sure he'll return to his previous Pro Bowl form. He stands a better chance of blowing another knee out.

That Guy · 07-15-2004, 12:41 PM

i have no doubt that he'll be worth the money... even last year he wasnt bad... we did start him didn't we? he misses assignments, and i think barrow is much better for us, but i dont doubt he'll help the iggles.

illdefined · 07-15-2004, 01:03 PM

guys, this SUCKS. this will haunt us. its just a matter of how much..

Trotter always had the talent and drive, but bad circumstances always kept him just GOOD and not GREAT. injury and revolving def. coordinators would do that to anyone. can't believe we didnt try harder to renogotiate or something. this is about as bad an outcome as there could've been. back to the Eagles? UGH.

i don't get it. Armstead and Trotter were serious, consistent warriors for us and we dumped them pretty unceremoniously. experienced, high character guys, that no one could blame our defensive woes on. did everyone expect 3 LaVar Arringtons?

SkinsRock · 07-15-2004, 02:17 PM

Another reason for him to play well this year: He signed a one year contract for under a million, so he'll be playing hard to get another big contract in 2005....

Redskins_P · 07-16-2004, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

guys, this SUCKS. this will haunt us. its just a matter of how much..

Trotter always had the talent and drive, but bad circumstances always kept him just GOOD and not GREAT. injury and revolving def. coordinators would do that to anyone. can't believe we didnt try harder to renogotiate or something. this is about as bad an outcome as there could've been. back to the Eagles? UGH.

i don't get it. Armstead and Trotter were serious, consistent warriors for us and we dumped them pretty unceremoniously. experienced, high character guys, that no one could blame our defensive woes on. did everyone expect 3 LaVar Arringtons?

If Trotter is so good. How come it took so long for a team to sign him? I don't think he sucks, but I would rather have Barrow. He has experience, and he's a team leader......that's one thing Trotter isn't.

illdefined · 07-16-2004, 04:13 PM

Trotter has only played with two teams. on the Eagles he rocked, on the Skins, in the most turbulent of times he played decent. how well did Arrington play under the def. coordinator merry-go-round?

no one knows him closely except these teams and dont know how well he will recover from the knee 2 years ago. and he was used to the Skins money, thats why no one attempted to sign him. didnt mean he's not a good player. hope he doesnt get to prove it now that he's on the eagles.

sportscurmudgeon · 07-17-2004, 10:36 AM

Matty:

I have two problems with your view of Trotter and the Skins' move to sign him.

1. Trotter was - and still is - a good linebacker. The problem with Trotter was his assessment that he was a GREAT linebacker. The contract he demanded from the Eagles - which got his ass cut from the team - and the one he got from Danny Boy paid him more than Ray Lewis was making at that time. Think about that for a minute from the perspective of how the hell Trotter could have possibly thought he was in Ray Lewis' league and from the perspective of how that contract could be a good value to a team that gave him that contract. Here is what that tells me: (A) Trotter's opinion of himself is way beyond reality. (B) Danny Boy is not a great judge of linebacking talent and what you should pay to get it.

2. You say that everyone had trouble adapting to Marvin Lewis' system - almost as if that excuses Trotter and others for their performances on the field. Excuse me, but Marvin Lewis has been able to teach his system to players at more than a few other teams and be very successful in doing so. (See Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Minnesota and Cincy...) But the Redskins just could not get it? And that makes Lewis' system to blame? I might suggest that their failure to figure out how to run the Marvin Lewis defense showed that they are either less talented than they have been given credit for or they are not smart emough to pick this up quickly.

Just a thought... And by the way, I think the signing of Jeff George was 100 times worse than the signing of Jeremiah Trotter.

illdefined · 07-17-2004, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

2. You say that everyone had trouble adapting to Marvin Lewis' system - almost as if that excuses Trotter and others for their performances on the field. Excuse me, but Marvin Lewis has been able to teach his system to players at more than a few other teams and be very successful in doing so. (See Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Minnesota and Cincy...) But the Redskins just could not get it? And that makes Lewis' system to blame? I might suggest that their failure to figure out how to run the Marvin Lewis defense showed that they are either less talented than they have been given credit for or they are not smart emough to pick this up quickly.

werent we ranked the 5th overall defense in the NFL that year? the system worked. as did our linebackers. as did Trotter. what didnt work was changing systems up every year since and catastrophic knee injury. Trotter never had a consistent chance. young, healed up, in familiar territory and system with something to prove to everybody, i'm not gonna take my eyes off him next year.

That Guy · 07-15-2004, 02:19 PM

trotter couldnt read and react, and he missed assignments... i think we're better on LBs now then we were last year... trotter's not bad, but i doubt he would've accepted under a million here and a possible demotion. iggles got a deal cause no one else made a real offer. that'd be my guess anyways.

sportscurmudgeon · 07-15-2004, 11:09 PM

The reason Trotter is with the Eagles is that he finally figured out that he wasn't going to get any team to pay him more than $1M per year. The problem with the Redskins keeping him is that they had him signed to a 5 year deal worth $35M. (Do the math folks.) If the Skins keep him, he costs a bundle; if they cut him, some other team can get him for what he is worth - less than $1M per year.

The roots of the Redskins' problem goes back to the boneheaded decision made by the FO when Trotter had his "franchise player tag" lifted by the Eagles. The Sklins' FO swooped in and gave him the contract the Eagles thought was an outrageous demand. The Skins' FO - lots of fans - spent about a month gloating over how they had taken this critically important cog out of a division rival's machinery. Guess not...

MTK · 07-16-2004, 10:17 AM

I can't fault the FO for making the Trotter move. At the time it happened we appeared to have one of the best LB corps in the league. Arrington, Armstead and Trotter, who wouldn't have wanted that group?? We also killed two birds with one stone by taking away a key player from a division rival. A lot of people, fans and media alike, applauded the move and thought that the Skins defense was going to be significantly better because of it.

First Trotter had difficulty adjusting to Marvin Lewis' defense, but then again who didn't? Then, once he started to get the hang of things, he blows out his knee. To be fair to Trotter he never really got the chance to shine in this defense. But then again, there was a reason the Eagles let him go without much of a fight. His well documented knee problems were out there on the table for everyone to see, and the Redskins rolled the dice and lost.

It was an aggressive move that just didn't pan out. I can't fault them for trying, was he overpaid, definitely, but that's Snyder's MO. Was it the worst move Snyder has made? Not even close IMO.

That Guy · 07-16-2004, 12:04 PM

letting davis go or hiring all those 80 year old big names were far worse...

CrazyCanuck · 07-16-2004, 01:26 PM

Deion was still the worst move of them all IMO.

SkinsRock · 07-16-2004, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Deion was still the worst move of them all IMO.

Agreed. Jeff George was a close second though....

MTK · 07-16-2004, 03:16 PM

Canning Norv with 3 games remaining wasn't the smartest of moves either. Even though the team was struggling they were still alive in the playoff hunt at 7-6.

The team threw in the towel once Norv was fired.

07-15-2004, 12:34 PM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	We have bigger worries than Trotter. He'll probably be a solid contributor for them but I'm not sure he'll return to his previous Pro Bowl form. He stands a better chance of blowing another knee out.

07-15-2004, 12:41 PM	#2
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	i have no doubt that he'll be worth the money... even last year he wasnt bad... we did start him didn't we? he misses assignments, and i think barrow is much better for us, but i dont doubt he'll help the iggles.

07-15-2004, 01:03 PM	#3
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 49 Posts: 2,631	guys, this SUCKS. this will haunt us. its just a matter of how much.. Trotter always had the talent and drive, but bad circumstances always kept him just GOOD and not GREAT. injury and revolving def. coordinators would do that to anyone. can't believe we didnt try harder to renogotiate or something. this is about as bad an outcome as there could've been. back to the Eagles? UGH. i don't get it. Armstead and Trotter were serious, consistent warriors for us and we dumped them pretty unceremoniously. experienced, high character guys, that no one could blame our defensive woes on. did everyone expect 3 LaVar Arringtons?

07-15-2004, 02:17 PM	#4
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	Another reason for him to play well this year: He signed a one year contract for under a million, so he'll be playing hard to get another big contract in 2005....

07-16-2004, 04:13 PM	#6
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 49 Posts: 2,631	Trotter has only played with two teams. on the Eagles he rocked, on the Skins, in the most turbulent of times he played decent. how well did Arrington play under the def. coordinator merry-go-round? no one knows him closely except these teams and dont know how well he will recover from the knee 2 years ago. and he was used to the Skins money, thats why no one attempted to sign him. didnt mean he's not a good player. hope he doesnt get to prove it now that he's on the eagles.

07-17-2004, 10:36 AM	#7
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Matty: I have two problems with your view of Trotter and the Skins' move to sign him. 1. Trotter was - and still is - a good linebacker. The problem with Trotter was his assessment that he was a GREAT linebacker. The contract he demanded from the Eagles - which got his ass cut from the team - and the one he got from Danny Boy paid him more than Ray Lewis was making at that time. Think about that for a minute from the perspective of how the hell Trotter could have possibly thought he was in Ray Lewis' league and from the perspective of how that contract could be a good value to a team that gave him that contract. Here is what that tells me: (A) Trotter's opinion of himself is way beyond reality. (B) Danny Boy is not a great judge of linebacking talent and what you should pay to get it. 2. You say that everyone had trouble adapting to Marvin Lewis' system - almost as if that excuses Trotter and others for their performances on the field. Excuse me, but Marvin Lewis has been able to teach his system to players at more than a few other teams and be very successful in doing so. (See Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Minnesota and Cincy...) But the Redskins just could not get it? And that makes Lewis' system to blame? I might suggest that their failure to figure out how to run the Marvin Lewis defense showed that they are either less talented than they have been given credit for or they are not smart emough to pick this up quickly. Just a thought... And by the way, I think the signing of Jeff George was 100 times worse than the signing of Jeremiah Trotter.

07-15-2004, 02:19 PM	#9
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	trotter couldnt read and react, and he missed assignments... i think we're better on LBs now then we were last year... trotter's not bad, but i doubt he would've accepted under a million here and a possible demotion. iggles got a deal cause no one else made a real offer. that'd be my guess anyways.

07-15-2004, 11:09 PM	#10
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	The reason Trotter is with the Eagles is that he finally figured out that he wasn't going to get any team to pay him more than $1M per year. The problem with the Redskins keeping him is that they had him signed to a 5 year deal worth $35M. (Do the math folks.) If the Skins keep him, he costs a bundle; if they cut him, some other team can get him for what he is worth - less than $1M per year. The roots of the Redskins' problem goes back to the boneheaded decision made by the FO when Trotter had his "franchise player tag" lifted by the Eagles. The Sklins' FO swooped in and gave him the contract the Eagles thought was an outrageous demand. The Skins' FO - lots of fans - spent about a month gloating over how they had taken this critically important cog out of a division rival's machinery. Guess not...

07-16-2004, 10:17 AM	#11
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	I can't fault the FO for making the Trotter move. At the time it happened we appeared to have one of the best LB corps in the league. Arrington, Armstead and Trotter, who wouldn't have wanted that group?? We also killed two birds with one stone by taking away a key player from a division rival. A lot of people, fans and media alike, applauded the move and thought that the Skins defense was going to be significantly better because of it. First Trotter had difficulty adjusting to Marvin Lewis' defense, but then again who didn't? Then, once he started to get the hang of things, he blows out his knee. To be fair to Trotter he never really got the chance to shine in this defense. But then again, there was a reason the Eagles let him go without much of a fight. His well documented knee problems were out there on the table for everyone to see, and the Redskins rolled the dice and lost. It was an aggressive move that just didn't pan out. I can't fault them for trying, was he overpaid, definitely, but that's Snyder's MO. Was it the worst move Snyder has made? Not even close IMO.

07-16-2004, 12:04 PM	#12
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	letting davis go or hiring all those 80 year old big names were far worse...

07-16-2004, 01:26 PM	#13
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Deion was still the worst move of them all IMO.

07-16-2004, 03:16 PM	#15
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Canning Norv with 3 games remaining wasn't the smartest of moves either. Even though the team was struggling they were still alive in the playoff hunt at 7-6. The team threw in the towel once Norv was fired.

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